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Hello,
I need to know if the modifiers for, snow, sand etc. are 1 point Equals 1 point or are they percentages? Example would be forest -6
So does that mean a Minus -6 in attack and defense in the forest or is it a 60% reduction in attack or defense.
I need someone to help who is sure about these settings.
Thanks in advance.
Lt_1956
I get the impression from observation in game and the txt. files that they are actually movement modifyers {though they could have actual effect on combat like cavalry bonuses do , though I highly doubt they are as straight forward as additions/subtractions to attack or defense given such dramatic modifyers as -6 would be surely obvious in action against their opposite [-6 in forest Vs +2 in forest for example]} .Quote:
Originally Posted by lt1956
Someone mentioned that they changed chariots to -20 in forest and when you atack them they almost instantly. That would give an impression of combat modifier. If movement then Legions should have a - in the snow. Yes Barbarians have a +4.
I just wanted to make sure its just a point system and not a percentage.
Lt
Every comment I've seen about them suggests they are combat modifiers. I'm not sure if it is an attack modifier or defense or what. I seriously doubt it is percentage, those are typically done in decimal format in the CA games, while integers are used for most basic stats.
Testing reveals that they are indeed combat modifiers - barbarians are certainly better in snow and woods. I`m not so sure about sand and scrub, but there is simple reason: These modifiers have quite shallow impact on at least 1vs1 unit combat. I tested numidian legionaries with -4 on snow and axemen with +4 (modded units, don`t ask). On summer grasslands legionaries won, but they never achieved more than clear victory. In the winter, while axemen had a whooping +8 modifier in total, they only managed to achieve a narrow victory. So I don`t think it`s just a simple +8 to attack rating or sth similar. Anyway this is only my hypothesis, I`m not an advanced tinkerer.
Woreczko,
That actually sounds about right. I have to use rather massive mount modifiers to get spears to be effective vs. cav, and to make horse/camel/elephant matchups make sense. I usually end up adding 4 to 8 total in adjustment to the existing values.
In RTW the range of the attack defense numbers seems to be wider. If you want a noticeable impact you need about an 8 point delta or more, at least with the units I've adjusted so far. This was particularly noticeable with elephants I reduced elephant unit size in half and hitpoints in half as well. This works about like I want it vs. infantry and skirmishers, but the stupid cav were killing elephants with the base mount modifier values (probably due to the massive charge bonuses.) I had to move it 8 more points for a total delta of 20, and I might need to move it more. (With the smaller hit point count and unit size I will probably have to increase the elephant "momentum" factor so that heavy cav doesn't stop an elephant charge. I don't think this is combat modifier related, but more unit size and relative momentum factors.)