Hi guys I was just looking at the battle scene of Alexander and the armours etc , I found them very well described and reproduced , I am not a great expert of Macedonian stuff but looks like a great improvement in a holliwood movie .....
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Hi guys I was just looking at the battle scene of Alexander and the armours etc , I found them very well described and reproduced , I am not a great expert of Macedonian stuff but looks like a great improvement in a holliwood movie .....
Equipment wise alexander was very good. THere are some issues, and you can debate how colouful you want your Macedonians, but in the absence of other photographic guides of decent reconstructed kit - there aren't nearly so many Macedonians reenactors as Roman after all - still from alexander ad a bad guide at all.
Plus it hasthe best ancient battle seen ever
Yeah, I loved the movie, it was much better than any Hollywood 'ancient' production recently. That's what you get when you have a real director behind the camera :) And it made want to fight those phalanx vs elephants battles again :)
That movie was a terrible, ahistorical, shameful mess.
Thank you Urnamma. ~:cheers:
Well, it looks like half the people hate it, and half the people love it.
I don't have much knowledge about Alexander's army/era, but I liked the movie.
PS: Yeah, yeah, who cares about my opinion anyway ~D
Haven't seen it yet, but the stills looked good.
Yes, the production design, art and props dept. for Alexander were top notch. Don't mean to nitpick but for some stupid reason I picked up on the sarissas, their diameter anyway. The actors playing Macedonian phalangites looked like they could barely wrap their hands completely around it. Perhaps they only seemed too large because the wood they used to make them was so light in color?
Anyway given the efforts of the art and props department it's a pity the rest of the movie wasn't up to the same standards.
I thought sarissas were too short, weren't they? But then, I thought that modern stuntsmen probably wouldn't hold a proper length sarissa :)
They could if it were weighted properly - I doubt a modern prop maker would know how to weight them so that the stuntmen could use them properly. ~:)
The one (one!?) major battle scene was great. The rest of the movie was horrible. I wanted to walk out but it there was the whole cliched car wreck factor: I couldn't look away. Besides, by the end of the movie, the whole audience (what was left of it) was laughing hysterically and it was kind of a fun bonding experience. Especially the one scene where Colin Farrell talks for like 5 minutes only to turn around and find Hephaistion dead... the whole theater was rolling in the aisles for that one.
Roxana wasn't negress.
Alexander wasn't Irish either. They're actors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Exactly, they're both terrible actors and they looked completely out of place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheep
yeah, the movie was missing something. It would have also been better if it had a better soundtrack and some of the scenery didn't look so fake. I'm telling you, those statues and paintings! Jeeze. The battle scenes where pretty cool, and probably as realistic as Hollywood will ever get. But the movie wasn't really captivating. Could have been a whole lot better. Like if the Gladiator director directed it ~D That was a kick ass movie!
The soundtrack was terrible, I agree, but I've enjoyed most of the movie.
Perhaps we should have a poll ;)
Firts of all i ve attempted to see the movie on dvd and i turned off the tv at the moment that they put their perversed raped version of Aristoteles sayings on the relations of two men...
The whole homosexuality issue is by far the most twisted changed and pervrerted of the whole ancient life... Based on vaguely represented 30 vases depictions out of 80000 that have been discovered around the globe...
Anal heterosexual contacts depicted as "proof" (if you had an anal sex with a woman does that make you homosexual?) and satyrs' depiction who were the NEGATIVE examples...
Homosexuality was SEVERELY critisized and punished sometimes with death (in sparta mainly) and in athens Aishinis speeches against Timarchos who was homosexual and Aishines proved that BY LAW Timarchos didnt have ANY right to aaccuse him...
They couldnt vote
They couldnt trade
If they tried to contact someone in their lifestyle they were SEVERELY punished...
Sources Homosexuality in ancient Greece Adonis A. Georgiadis
Hellenes
Uhum. Yeah. And Alexander and Hephaistion were just 'good friends', sure.
I knew it would get to this... all the debates about 'Alexander' come to this in the end...
It was not homosexuality that was criticized in Greece, it was anal intercourse, which was regarded as 'unmanly', and getting yourself into a role of a woman. Read some Plato, dude.
And here's the final proof:
http://www.squidge.org/praxisters/babylon.html
;)
EDIT: It always amuses and irritates me at the same time, how people don't mind Alexander being a slaughterer, murderer, and overall weirdo, yet they go all crazy when he's 'accused' of having a romance with a man.
(note: I'm a great fan of Alexander personally, so don't take my words to mean that I want to start another "Alexander was Ancient Hitler" debate)
Provide some evidence and not just vague assumptions...Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
Any ancient sources saying that Alexander was murderer? Weirdo?
How about the fact that Abraham was a pimp who was pimping his own sister/wife? But none would dare to make such a movie just see what happened to Mel Gibsons film... The whole thing boils down to the fact that we all know that the world is under the fear and the dictatorship of one sided sencorship and suppression and we know that to speak against the standardised version of the things triggers the severe punishment...
History is written by the WINNERS...after 1945...
Hellenes
Uh..what's that bullshit ?
Whatever, man.
What do you mean? winners? 1945? wha? :dizzy2:
WW2... :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
Hellenes, Eadingas is right, homosexuality wasn’t frowned on, but anal intercourse (especially for the one being penetrated) was looked down upon, it is right there in Plato. Male/Male romance was considered completely natural and ok, it was only when anal sex was involved that it became an issue (especially between citizens, if you wanted to bugger a slave no one really cared). If you want to know more about it read Greek Homosexuality
by K.J. Dover.
1945, WW2? Really? Didn´t relate them with each other....:rolleyes:
...by the way, that was sarcasm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
lol, should have payed more attention to your name.
Dover's "work" is narrowminded as hell he struggles to "prove" that homosexuality was natural BUT his basing his assumption ONLY on 30 vases out of 80000 that were found and they display SATYRS who were NEGATIVE examples...Quote:
Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX
Platos statements were in many cases defamatory for his oponnents which he called "KINAIDOI" which means CURSED and HOMOSEXUAL...
Now if you read the ancient texts in the sence of ERASTIS=PUPIL EROMENOS=TEACHER the whole thing starts to make sence...
The whole legal status on KINAIDOI is displayed in the speech of ASHINOS against TIMARCHOS where Timarchos accused Aishinos that he was payed by Phillip II to betray Athens. Aishinos instaed of reply revealed that Timarchos was a "KINAIDOS" and thus had no right to sue an Athenean citizen, Timarchos out of shame committed suicide. Just read the sources and the bottom line is that you cannot base your ASSUMPTIONS on exceptions...
Hellenes
Yeah, cool, except you can't read 'Erastis' and 'Eromenos' as anything else because of what these words MEAN. You have to stretch your argument quite a lot to deal with the presence of the words 'eros' and 'erasteio' in them.
The vases don't display Satyrs, but old and young men in sexual positions just like described in literary sources.
Theban Sacred Band was made of homosexual soldiers.
Whatever, man. I've heard that Greeks protested about 'Alexander' and homo (bi, to be precise)sexuality shown in it, but I thought it was a joke.
And using caps lock doesn't make you right.
hi
the bottom line
great battle
few battles
very good begining
bad ending
homo's not homo's who cares
if i to direrct such movie
i will do it differently
:book:
ah.. but does it make you wrong??Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
but dont' strain your brain trying to navigate the labyrinthine profundity of such reconditry!
Uhhh, Hellenes is confused with his own examples. Yes Plato does condemn homosexuality between men of equal statues. But that does not mean that Macedonians had to listen to any of that. Macedonia was very different in society then the southern greeks. Macedonians were polygamists while the southern greeks weren't. So what is there to stop Alexander from having sex with anyone he wants? As far as I saw in the movie it was pretty realistic. It didn't show any more then the ancient writers described.
The depictions are not all Satyrs. If you still don't beleave me then look:
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/...image/7311.jpg