This was more an idea of Ed tw(sorry!! :bow: ) and there problably have been polls like this earlier, but that doesn't matter, huh.
KukriKhan, do not kill this one too!!!!!! :tomato: Joking ~;) :wink3:
I voted Uesugi!!!
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This was more an idea of Ed tw(sorry!! :bow: ) and there problably have been polls like this earlier, but that doesn't matter, huh.
KukriKhan, do not kill this one too!!!!!! :tomato: Joking ~;) :wink3:
I voted Uesugi!!!
Shimazu - a starting position with plenty of varied oppurtunity, the unit speciality is not too strong (you have to earn it) and they dont have infinite funds, meaning better management is required ~:)
Also, the first clan I ever played. Man, I nearly wet myself when a Ninja assassinated my Emissary for the first time. It was the 'street meeting' cutscene with the pole-launching cart. Awesome.
Uesugi is the one for me. Kenshin is my favorite Daimyo of the Warring States period. A true Warrior Monk warlord!! :bow: If I have to choose from other Clans I usually go with the Takeda, Oda or the Shimazu. The Shimazu are my 2nd favorite as they have a strong position to start from with only enemies to the north and the west for them to worry about..
Uesegi are too tough for me - I feel like I'm cheating when I play them. ~:)
I find that Uesegi don't require any finance management because their lands are so rich and the cheap Archers provide too much of an advantage. They also get Shinano, possibly the greatest province in the game.
Shimazu. Mid-to-Late game for Shimazu is interesting. You have a lot of factions fighting in the East.
In addition, the No-Dachi are great swordsmen. ~:)
Second is Uesugi. They have an interesting Early game.
All these in the vanilla version of STW. ~:)
Well why doesnt everyone guess who I voted for.
While your at it guess my favorite Daimyo......
My reasons: Consolidated starting position, their color is my favorite, my favorite Daimyo and the first I ever played.
Next up would be the Mori for their great warrior monks.
For the longest time I enjoyed Uesugi the most--rich lands, good position, exciting competitive scenario right off the bat. And yes, I'm a Kenshin fan too. But, I must agree that they are pretty easy, even on Expert difficulty. Now, the clans and periods that challenge me the most are my favorites.
Nowadays I like playing the 1580 Tokugawa campaign, Sengoku Oda campaign, and 1530 Takeda campaigns (Warlord/MI edition offers Mongol, 1530, 1550, and 1580 campaigns in addition to the standard Sengoku Jidai that came with the original Shogun). These all present interesting challenges.
The 1580 Tokugawa campaign is probably the one that plays out differently most often. This unpredicatability makes for fun. One problem with playing a thousand games is that you start to become very familiar with how things go, generally speaking. But, in the 1580 Tokugawa campaign, you pretty much have to play a waiting game and capitalize on the mistakes of those around you, and they tend to be different in each game. The Oda and Takeda campaigns can be challenging if you get sandwiched by the victorious east and west clans before you're ready (usually Shimazu and Uesugi, though sometimes Mori and Hojo).
What you should try is building a big army and abandoning all of your provinces. I did this once with Uesugi because I was a bit annoyed with a few mistakes I made and I wiped out Imagawa, Hojo and Takeda while only owning one province in a year. Granted this was with Kenshin as my faction leader and I had an excellent army but it is great fun to create anarchy over half the camp map by knocking off all of those Daimyos without holding their land...
Uesugi defintely, In fact, just finished a campaign with them using a giesha and when there was no other clans i steamrollered through the ronin. Uesugi Kenshin:
Yari Cavalry 6* 38 battles won 1 lost (Kenshin's 400 vs. 1200 men)
Shimazu is also interesting, as is Oda.
Uesugi is easy, but in my game Mori owned a lot of provinces, and when they 'died off' the Shimazu took all their provinces.
Imagawa and TAkeda tend to be frustrating, but are quite enjoyable at times. Mori are my least favorite faction. I don't know why but I can't play as them.
I like Shimazu, for historical, family, and game reasons.
The game doesn't have nearly the selection of daimyo that Nobunaga's Ambition does, or I'd be trying an Asai, Otomo, or Chosokabe campaign.
Uesugi is my brother's favourite daimyo, and fits him too well for me to usurp him.
Takeda... yeah... he had that one-eyed retainer... who may have been the real Lady Yae... ew. :dizzy2: Otherwise cool. ;)
Historically, Kyushu, Shikoku, and southwestern Honshu have had a Christian influence. There is evidence that it may in fact have begun long before the Sengoku-jidai period! (Nestorian Christianity was the religion of a number of Mongol tribes during Chinkhis Khan's day, and some of them just continued moving east.)
This mixing of cultures and the contradictions they present are fascinating. Yet these Japanese found a way to live with the conflict of Ultimate obedience to a deity and Absolute obedience to a deific emperor. I find that culturally and philosophically fascinating, so I play Shimazu.
I just love sticking it to the Oda and keeping them from dominating as they did for quite a while in reality. Too bad Kenshin drank so much sake, got cancer(most likely) and died on his toilet. If he didn't drink so much maybe he could have taken Nobunaga, or at least died like a true warrior and slowed Oda and his guns....
If voting between Hojo and the mongols, i would have chosen hojo!
eveyone should, blasted mongols. . . :furious3:
haha ~;)
It'd been a while since I tried a Takeda campaign. Oh, man, what a blast! The exact opposite of playing Hojo, where the player can afford to rely on overwhelming force. My troops always seem to be badly outnumbered, 2:1, 3:1, or worse, yet they prevail anyway, and massacre the retreating enemy. Emphasis on careful maneuvering and timing is certainly more interesting than simply cranking out shock troops in numbers the enemy can't hope to match.
I like usegi (wasnt alowed to vote). but im not afraid of using shimazu or mori.
I prefer usegi as you get a better game in the single player campaign as you alomst instantly end up in a war against 2 clans, and any way archers rule (for a few mins) ;)
Last time I played Uesugi I had an interesting situation. During the early game at least every other turn I faced a combined Hojo/Imagawa/Oda attack in Shinano. It took me a long time to build up enough troops to march on. But I had some VERY high honor archers pretty soon, thanks to all the experience they were gaining. But playing Takeda is still my favorite. It takes some finesse, but is still not so over-challenging as to remove all the fun.
Maybe that is because you're still junior member too, if you want to become full member(and get more privilleges on the .org), introduce yourself to KukriKhan in the thread 'Hail new members' in the entrance hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shambles
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No doesn't matter drisos, but that reminds me: some old polls got damaged, including the old one like this. I still got to restore it :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
i like the Uesegi for reasons previously mentioned. There is a lot of money and archers rule. Shinano dont hurt either
I like Takeda the most. It's fun to hold Shinano against 4-5 clans. Usually, in the Northern half of Japan map, I would abandon all provinces and use all troops there to take and hold Shinano. In the South, it's fun to battling out the Mori and the Shimazu later. Build up the strong hold then start conquering the Oda.
Next in the list would be the Mori, Shimazu, Uesugi.
I didn't play as the Hojo often.
Currently, playing my first campaign as Oda (way too many rebel Monks).
Imagawa is the only one left that I have not try.
I just finished my first campaign, Shimazu at medium level. ~:cheers: I think they are in a fairly easy position if you blitz the Imagawa provinces in the top left of the map. So I guess they are my current favorite. Any suggestions on the next faction I should play?
Is it just me or are Geisha's too powerful? I managed to end the last two factions by killing the Daimyo + heirs with just one Geisha. :hairpin3:
Oh yeah, another question: the Dutch traders never arrived. Is it because I allowed trade with the Portugese?
Takeda is ma fav clan during tha sengoku jidai period. I liked them cause of their massive cavalry strategies in tha history. Even in the campaign, I tried to used most of tha units with cavarly cause is their trademark of war.
Besides that, its fun to do this although you hav only two differents units with cavarly and infantry which I used most of cavalry:12/16 units (just four infantries). But...this will let to an unbalace army but thats tha beauty of it...you will slowly manage to gain an advantage and also good strategy to use them during battle. It depends on how you can handle it but I just like tha way it works that way especially with Takeda.
Btw...Hello Jay Tee,
Dutch trader do arrive somewhere around early 1580 (correct me if Im wrong) and Im not too sure if you can build although you already have a Protugese Post.
Oh, I suggest you to use Takeda for your next faction. ~D
Ahh...it's been a long time since I last visited Shogun. But I can't stand how anybody loves Shimazu! They're just plain boring with only 1-2 rival clans to deal with before you rule 1/3 of Japan.
My vote goes for Takeda. They're the bloodiest clan ever. Cavalry charges in Shogun rules! Besides, Shingen is one step away from getting himself into Kyoto when he died. How sad...
Oh, and he beats the arses of Ieyasu once and again. What a great Daimyo... He should've ruled from the west, so that he (and Kenshin) would rise up unopposed by each other and beat the hell out of Nobunaga in the middle.
The second is for the Uesugi. I just love their family tree. 2 six star generals! Uesugi Kenshin and (What the!?) Date Masamune.
The third goes for Hojo. It was the first clan I've ever played. Ahh...first campaign of Total-War...ever. It's very, very rich, too; and somehow I like to play slow and build up like mad with them.
But the best campaign ever is Tokugawa 1580. I've got one hell of a desperate big battle from first turn, and second, and third! The full mights of Takeda and Oda threw down on my overstretched forces, and I refused to give a single piece of ground (back) to them!
JT, you might have ruled Japan before the Dutch came. O_O
I think you can't build the Portuguese or Dutch trading posts if you already have the other built... BUT you can have them both in the building queue after meeting both, andthe game will faithfully execute the queue. So wait until the Dutch come and then set both up to be built one after the other.
I'd love to have the Date clan independent, or the Chosokabe. :\ Let's hear it for the little guys!
I think I must have finished before they come then. Because I deliberately didn't build any Portuguese trading posts or churches (didn't want to become Catholic).
If Kenshin and Shingen had taken on Nobunaga they would have won. Kenshin had already proven that Samurai armies could whup Nobunaga. Anywaya I love playing as the Uesugi and laughing at the traders. All I need are some good warrior monks and Shingen out of the way and I will be fine....
With WE/MI it's building a church that turns you Christian. I've heard others argue otherwise, but I've confirmed it time and again for myself so ... believe what you want. I build Portuguese trading posts all the time without becoming Christian.
That's an interesting trick with the queue. In my thousand plus games I'd never discovered that. I tend not to build Portuguese stuff after the arrival of the Dutch anyway, but it's still nice to know.
I've often used Geishas to end a campaign in which I've taken the eastern half to 2/3 of Japan and eliminated all but a couple rivals. At this point, the outcome is no longer in doubt, and fighting rebels in the west doesn't seem like a good time to me.Quote:
Is it just me or are Geisha's too powerful? I managed to end the last two factions by killing the Daimyo + heirs with just one Geisha. :hairpin3:
If multiplayer campaigns were common, they'd be an issue. As it stands, they're more of a personal choice. Victory on the battlefield, or the shortcut?
If you are first to produce a geisha it does make eventual victory pretty easy. I usually just use them to counter enemy geishas, or as a spy like an emmisary. This is assuming Expert difficulty--using geishas on any other difficulty makes it really easy as the AI doesn't usually produce them at the lower difficulty levels (sometimes on Hard, but only after quite a long game).
I'm going to try some similar queue-fooling with Mines and Mine Complexes this week. If it "works," I'll post it with the subject of 'MINE CHEAT' so everyone knows if it's polite to use in common competition. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
I agree that building trading posts has no effect on Christianity if you don't have any Christianity yet. It's Winter 1575 in my S:TW (vanilla edition) campaign. I've been building both trading posts ever since I got the Dutch to come trade with me too. None of my provinces have any Christianity percentage, despite having Portuguese and Dutch trading posts in many for several years and owning all of Japan but the Hojo and easternmost Uesugi domains. (I killed both of those daimyo by cutting off the province he was in and then invading, laying seige to him, and breaking seige with an insanely overpowering force. We're talking Auto-Resolved, tens of thousands of men against his 254 men, I lost 3 guys. ~:cheers: So no Hojo Horde! )
That said, it may accellerate the growth of Christianity. A Church in one province will begin to gain converts in adjacent provinces (I think it's actually more like, "If PROVINCE has a Christianity of x% (10% maybe??) then adjacent provinces will gain y% (1%??) Christianity" in general), ISTR it doesn't matter if the adjacent province is yours or not, Christian or Buddhist. A Priest will markedly gain converts too (he probably uses the same routines as a Church, perhaps with a modifier like 1/2 or something, making him a Mobile Field Church). It's possible that the trading posts will accelerate the rate of conversion if and only if a church or priest is having an effect on its province. I thought the WE manual said that trading posts converted people, but apparently they don't. Funny, I could've sworn... :furious3: Whups! Just did. ~D