Ooh, forgotten things...

i was just looking at a file called battle.txt. Here is an extract:

character JULIUS, named character, leader, level 0, exp 7, dig 30, drd 40, age 80, x 242, y 206
attributes military 6, administrative 4, diplomatic 6, subterfuge 2
skills siege 3, civil 2, logistics 7, night_raid 3, financier 6, builder_military 4
skills builder_religious 5, builder_normal 6, rhetoric 4, bluster 3
skills bribery 1, flattery 2
army
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary first cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit legionary first cohort I
unit legionary cohort I
unit carthaginian light cavalry archers
unit carthaginian light elephant cavalry
unit carthaginian light cavalry
;unit syrian archers
;unit british celt marauders
;unit german barbarians
;unit gaul barbarians
unit carthaginian chariots

First, look at the General's, Julius, stats. 'drd 40'? apparently they were going to include dread in RTW, and haven't. Now look at the soldiers. Carthaginian Chariots!! Celt Marauders!! Syrian Archers!! Why didn't they include these in the game, they are so cool!!! But now, look at his....what everyone wants....

Naval Battles!?

type indicates a new ship type, must be followed by id name string
; ship_type either flag, transport, war
; size size of the ship in metres (10-50)
; speed speed of the ship in kmph (1-20)
; power method of power (sail, oars)
; artillery artillery type (flame, rock) - this should refer to the engine_db eventually
; ram (yes, no)
; durability damage ship can take before sinking (0-20)
; armour armour value of ship (0-20)
; depth how much water it draws (in m), depth of water needed to operate
; beam height of the sides, (for boarding, firing archers ect)


type heavy warship
ship_type war
carrying_capacity 4
size 200
speed 40
power sail
artillery rock
ram yes
durability 15
armour 15
depth 10
beam 20

type light warship
ship_type war
carrying_capacity 3
size 30
speed 7
power sail
artillery flame
ram yes
durability 10
armour 10
depth 10
beam 20

type flagship
ship_type flag
carrying_capacity 6
size 200
speed 40
power sail
artillery rock
ram yes
durability 15
armour 15
depth 10
beam 20

From what i read there, i think CA might have been intending to include naval battles. Interesting, no?

Very interesting...

if you look further into that txt, you will find faction illyria instead of greek cities!

You'll also find mention of Night Raids as an additional type of battle alongside siege... and also the pants Bob standard bearer!

I knew you people would like this...

~D ~:cool: cool find! ~:cheers: well done!

Perhaps some of these features will make an appearance in the (no we're not announcing an) expansion (yet). ~;)

If you go through the graphics and text files there are dozens of things that look like CA were thinking of implementing at some stage, but then decided against it. Attempting a night battle was one such thing left out, as well as of dozens of historical battles, different units, triumph goals etc.

Looking at the graphics is even more interesting. Appears there were more events to take place (Barbarian Hordes invading for example), the option to decimate soldiers (one pic shows Scipii soldiers at the mercy of the Jullii), and also generals and governors could be promoted and demoted.

There are also graphics for Kidnap missions, Rescue missions and poison water as well as thieving. Interestingly there's also a graphic entitled, 'Wonder Built', suggesting you had to build them yourself.

But also the game looked to be very more complicated in terms of buildings: brothels, storage facilities, masonry workshops, admiralty HQ, inns, metalsmiths, fletchers, fishing fleets, Roman Elephant Dealers and dozens more buildings. In fact I imagine building was to be more along the lines of MTW than the simplistic affair we have now.

It's a shame to see just how much effort went into RTW, but for whatever reasons, much was left out and what they did leave in was quite simplistic. I hope the expansion or next title increases the scope of the game somewhat.

In medieval there was a little bit of this, but i have to agree that the amount of ideas that weren't implemented in Rome is greater and, most important than that, it seems like it would add a lot to the overall gameplay (of course, if not bugged). Damn, i really hope the xpansion enables some of these features.

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Appears there were more events to take place (Barbarian Hordes invading for example),

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I've seen that too, somewhere in the files. I suppose it would have been an RTW version of the Golden Horde.

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also generals and governors could be promoted and demoted.

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Another thing that would have made RTW more like MTW, which in turn would have made it more difficult. And all the other things that you said. It would have made the game much better.

I feel that Rome: Total War was worth my money, because I got a large amount of enjoyment out of it and because I have never played anything like it. However, I will no longer support Creative Assembly unless the expansion is radically better. Surprisingly, new features are of only secondary interest to me. I want them to iron out all existing problems before adding features.

There's also a "decimate" animation within the animation packs, which has the general on the campaign map stab himself in the stomach, fall to his knees, and then to the ground.

Cool....you can watch your emperor commit suicide.

haha, sounds cool..
do they have assasination/sabotage animations as well?
that would be cool..

Sure. The spy walks up to the city reeeally quiety, then looks around nervously, and keeps looking around as he empties a container upon the city, of what I'd imagine is gunpowder or something like that, some explosive element. Then he shakes the last of the element out of the container and returns to regular stance. Assasination animation IS the one we see in the game with the guy in the club. However! We can change it :-D to whatever we want.

GOOD find.!

well done ~:cheers:

sounds brilliant! lol,
maybe the stuff they "forgot will be in the expansion ~:confused:

Oh, please! CA enable them all! I never rant about your game, never complain about bugs, never spam your e-mail or these boards. I bought your game and will buy it again if you just enable those you've done! The MTW building system was fascinating! Rome's looks good at first but it's too fast. Shogun's animations are one of the best feature ever in Total War and we all know what a good MTW governor system do. Please, please, please, please! Add them to the Xpack please! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

man this is old news, only the names are there, but no stats, textures or other things are anywhere to be founded. but the navalbattle is new, and interesting

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

Oh, please! CA enable them all! I never rant about your game, never complain about bugs, never spam your e-mail or these boards. I bought your game and will buy it again if you just enable those you've done! The MTW building system was fascinating! Rome's looks good at first but it's too fast. Shogun's animations are one of the best feature ever in Total War and we all know what a good MTW governor system do. Please, please, please, please! Add them to the Xpack please! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

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- Bargaining phase. Definitely ~;)

My take on these is different: please CA, don't try to include more bells and whistles in the XP. Just try to get the things that are currently in the game working. IMHO, CA were too ambitious when it came to adding fancy stuff into the game when it really needed more testing/better AI/better diplomacy/etc.

Lord of The Isles, this isn't ambitious stuff that's dressed up in bells, ribbons, whistles and all nice things. This was an attempt to make RTW like a glorified MTW, the RTW which most people seem to have wanted.

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Originally Posted by screwtype

- Bargaining phase. Definitely ~;)

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WHAT!?!

No, I'm not angry with CA at all!

I'm serious. Search for AntiochusIII's post and check for a more serious ranting than occasional complaints.

You...you...you make me angry! ~D