Who won the war of 1812?
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Who won the war of 1812?
Britain "won" I guess. Who won that war is very debatable.
IT might be best to move this to the back room - it could get ugly given the nature of the poll and previous discussions about the War of 1812.
But to answer the poll - neither side won because it situation returned to basically status quo after the war. However Britian did stop pressing United States sailors into service.
Hmm... I was just hoping to have a lighthearted poll about history for once, everybody, we want this to be fun, so please don't be saying nasty things about any of the sides involved! If you feel that you can't control your political rages, vote for Chicoughski, and think about happy music ~:)
EDIT: Redleg, how can you say that neither side won when their are six choices?!?! Neither implies that both of two are false
EDIT: Hopefully people can see the mood of the poll based option #6...
If not, then we'll just have to give them a ~:grouphug:
Because none of the choices are good. As Red said it was a draw. No one won it. Again this either belongs in the monastary or backroom. It always gets heated when we speak on this subject.Quote:
: Redleg, how can you say that neither side won when their are six choices?!?
Yeah yanks take it right personal like if you imply they lost a war, ever.
Not all of us. I think that we lost the war in Vietnam, for example. Some Americans do, sure, but I know some Brits who are more than a bit sensitive about certain things. After all, everybody should have a little pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
But we didn't lose the War of 1812. We failed to take Canada (so far, but you never know when we might finish that job) but we repelled the British attempts to take Baltimore and Washington, and American ships did as well as (if not better than) equivalent sized British ships.
As stated we stopped the British practice of siezing American ships and pressing sailors, the War of 1812 began the American naval tradition and established the US as a world player, or at least an independent player.
It was essentially a stalemate, which means that we actually won.
ichi :bow:
i was hoping tchaikovsky would be one of the choices! :bow:
Canada beat USA who beat Britain, or thats how it appears to the untrained eye ~;)
Sweden?
We (Britain) blockaded the USA which made them come to the barganing table. Canada was a colony, so they should not really be on the the list.
The USA won all the sea battles, except the last one.
Britain won all the land battles, except the last one.
France got a load of money, but lost in Europe.
Russia+allies liberated Europe.
Canada was a part of the glorious British Empire, so if Canada won, Britain won...
I don't know what the War of 1812 is, so if someone might be willing to point me in the correct direction, I would be grateful. So far, it looks like the USA invaded Canade, which was mostly ruled by Britain, and a little bit by France, I don't know about Russia...
The USA was helping France, kind of like helping us during WW2, we didn't like it, so we attacked their ships. Then there was the Louisanna (sp) purchase, were the USA brought the mid-west from France. They for some reason they invaded Canada, we burnt down the Presidents mansion. After the war, to cover up the burns they painted it white.Quote:
I don't know what the War of 1812 is, so if someone might be willing to point me in the correct direction, I would be grateful. So far, it looks like the USA invaded Canade, which was mostly ruled by Britain, and a little bit by France, I don't know about Russia...
France did not have any terriory in Canada.
Ok, that was not so great. I am sorry, we don't learn about our history, only commiunsts, nazis and why America is so great. :furious3:
War of 1812 in America --
Was technically a draw, but America did a good job at sea, but Britain won most of the battles on land.
War of 1812 in Europe --
Napoleon made a deadly mistake in invading Russia and he lost to Winter and Russia combined, so...Russia wins.
But...Peter Tchaikovsky is just a winner overall! So, he wins!! ~D
Well the US had a couple reasons for invading the Canadas (upper and lower).Quote:
Originally Posted by King Malcolm
1.Punish/stop Britain for pressing it's sailors into service in the Royal navy.
2.Revenge for not taking upper and lower Canada during the revolutionary war.
3."Liberate" Canada from British oppression, wheather we wanted it or not. ~;)
The actual procecution of the war went something like, the US massed most of it's regular army and militia under General Hull (somewhere in the neighborhood of 50000 men) in New York state. They crossed the border at Sandwhcih on July 12 1812 and marched on York (Toronto) the capital of Upper Canada. They had some problems from the word go though, militia troops were un-williing and un-convinced by the officers to leave US soil. So the regulars went on their own, maybe half of all the troops Hull had on hand. More problems were that the American officers were green/incompetent/too old and their british counter parts were vets of the pennisular war. Most fighting in Canada was between Canadian militias and Yank regualrs, most times ending with the Americans having their asses handed to them, but they did manage to capture York for a while. Then they lost Detroit. But the campagin although a military failure for the US had one saving grace, a rifleman took out the British commander General Issac Brock. A man who died in a country he never liked fighting for a people he never really trusted. But this mean't when the decision to press the attack into US territory came the next year the British lacked an experienced commander to lead them. They had some successes that mostly came about from incompetence in the US high command. Like the sacking of Washingtom DC and the burning of the white house. It happened because DC was being guarded by a few militia regiments the regulars were protecting Baltimore, which the secretary of war thought was a more probebal target than DC. And some defeats like New Orleans where General Andrew Jackson had build major fortifications on the only good routes to attack the city. Also the battle of New Orleans happened after the peace treaty between the US ans the UK had been signed in europe.
I'm not really an expert on the subject, but what I've read so far indicates the following:
With a few reservations, it seems that Canada won. The reason this is problematic is that there was no Canadian nation at the time; the region was, of course, ruled by Britain. However, the war seems to have helped forge a Canadian national identity, so you could say that Canada gained some long-term benefits from the outcome. Because of this, I think it's fair to say that Canada won.
However, the United States didn't lose. True, it failed to conquer Canada (a goal which most Americans were really not behind anyway). Nor did it manage to extract from Britain any sort of agreement to respect American shipping (Britain had mostly, if not completely, stopped boarding American ships already). However, it did manage to assert its independence and identity as a sovereign nation and a significant power in the world. It successfully defended itself against invading British armies, and held its own at sea as well. It continued to expand its influence westward. Tactically, the war was a draw anyway.
Britain didn't really lose either. It successfully defended its North American territories, even while fighting Napoleon in Europe. It neither gained nor lost anything significant in the course of the war.
The only real losers, of course, were the Native Americans. They fought on the British/Canadian side, and thus sealed their fate to be brushed aside when the American settlers and armies decided to move westward.
Like I said, I'm no expert on the subject. This is a simplified, inadequate version of events, and if your research contradicts this, I could easily be wrong.
Yeah one of the reasons the six nations joined with the British was to have their land under British protection from American annexation.
Moved to the Monastery.
I'm voting Tchaikovsky. He's really the only one who walked away with something accomplished.