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Social:
Most Socially Liberal: Me or Beirut
Most Socially Conservative: Navaros with a nod to DevDave
Fiscal:
Most Fiscally Liberal: One of the Scandanavians.
Most Fiscally Conservative: PanzerJager.
Political:
Most Politically Liberal: Me
Most Politically Conservative: Redleg, Panzer Jager
Overall:
Most Liberal: Me
Most Conservative: Tied between Alexander the Pretty Good, Panzer Jager and Navaros
I take the most militant centerist of them all!
Socially conservative?!?!? I don't even believe in the death penalty, I'm just a soft hearted lovable guy... ~D
**posts while holding a pro life rally in front of an abortion clinic** ~;)
Humbly submitted. ~;)Quote:
Most Liberal: Me
Me? Navaros?!? Just what criterion are you using to judge this, anyway??? :dizzy2:Quote:
Most Conservative: Tied between Alexander the Pretty Good, Panzer Jager and Navaros
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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
hehehe.. you right winger!!! ~D
One of the Scandinavians eh?.... are we that many? heh
...hm what does Fiscally mean anyway? ~D
Tax and spend and the govt policy on the economy really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazul
Hmm well im kinda allergic to being called both liberal and conservative.
Socialistic non-revolutionary radical.... kinda... ~;)
Liberal! And proud of it. :knight:
Viva los socialized medicino. :sombrero:
I'm a Nazi Communist. ~D
Its always good to have honest self reflection from time to time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I'm not a pinko.
I'm downright red.
Go on try and classify me :dizzy2:
This is interesting... ~D
I'm Liberal, but that is quite far right actually. I was in fact a member of The Danish Liberal Party (better known as Ventre).
List is like this:
Conservative, Liberal, Centrist, Red-Green, Socialist, [all kind of bad stuff here]
Neo-Centristism based on Conservative Existentialism bounded by Right Wing Liberalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I got you you nailed buddy. ~:smoking:
At many points in history it was great to be liberal. The middle ages would be a good example.
However in the times we live in we must look retrospectively at ourselves and our values. To me liberalism had an important and good impact on the world but that time is over. Now liberals simply seek societal change for no other reason than the existence of a society.
The concept that society should always progress is not an inherent reality. That progression does have stopping point and I believe we have reached it in America and Europe, although Europe just kept right on going.
Of course there are many places in the world where I would welcome liberalization(sp) like the mideast and many parts of Asia, but in the Western World - liberal ideology has run its course and now, devoid of any true need for progression, has become ugly and aggressive, just like communism. And just like communism, modern socialism/liberalism needs to be thrown in the historical trash heap.
We have been a steam roller of "progress" for far too long. We should recognize that new ideas aren't always good ideas and old ones shouldn't be disregarded simply for that reason.
I honestly cannot think of one issue that I even remotely agree with the liberal position on whether its social engineering, amoral science, flirting with communism, welfare, gun restriction, taxes, lifestyle stances or anything else.
Flirting with communism??????????? ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
It was not great to be a liberal during the Middle Ages if you don't want to be burned by the Catholic church. It is now great to be a liberal as you can now be it and act like it and survives to spread the honorable ideology behind it, which is freedom and lack of imposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Interestingly, our society is far, far from perfect and I would not expect to see you disagree on this. Somebody needs to go and change it, or at least lives and pass on the ideals to other generations that could.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
It is. Europe isn't going anywhere near anarchy, as I see it now. America isn't, too, but it begins to "lay behind" now that so many traditions take its roots and the old, traditional Europe weakens and give way to a new, innovative Europe - a lot of opportunities awaits the European community in the 21st century.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Therefore, we should go back and slay and get rid of every single homosexual human so to destroy liberalism once and for all?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
We have been stopped from progress far, far too long. New ideas are always feared for no better reasons than it's new. Therefore, somebody needs to be there and try it, even if the conservative elements in the society is pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Flirting with communism is inherently good as it clearly marks the hallmark of liberalism: tolerance of even the ideas YOU disagree. I disagree with communism; I will not stop anybody from reading Communist Manifesto for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Besides, liberalism is not and will never be flirting with communism - you misunderstand the whole thing.
Promises, promises lumberjack :helmet: :indian_chief: :builder2: ~:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
Are you really implying that this is not only as good as we get, but as good as we can or should get? ~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Progress of society is exactly that - progress. How can you say we should not progress? Should we also call a halt to learning anything new, of exploration of places never been, and the attainment of goals unachieved?
Methinks you perhaps did not mean exactly what you said.
To think you guys are at the zenith would presume that all knowledge is found and understood by the majority of the population.
That would require all the basics... reading, writing, arithmetic to be understood by the vast majority of the population.
That science was understood (not necessarily agreed with) by the majority.
That freedom was maximised.
That we had viable space programs.
etc etc etc.
We are not that advanced as a species. As a species we are living on a single planet. A zygote is more advanced as an individual human then we humans are an advanced society.
You forgot Il Duce, aka me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
Methinks we have different ideas of what social means. ~;)Quote:
Are you really implying that this is not only as good as we get, but as good as we can or should get?
Progress of society is exactly that - progress. How can you say we should not progress? Should we also call a halt to learning anything new, of exploration of places never been, and the attainment of goals unachieved?
Methinks you perhaps did not mean exactly what you said.
Of course science and technology are ever-progressing things, I was referring to the social engineering liberals subscribe to.
The liberals among us are holding true to their origins and are trying to change the basic fabric of society. Only this time political correctness, historical revisionism, abortion, socialism in all its forms, anti-religious stances, governmental dependency, euthanasia, amoral science, minority apologism, and of course changing the definition of the family unit are all in their bag of tricks.
It is my not-so-humble opinion that the liberal mindset which includes all of the above is not progressive - but regressive.
It is the liberal mindset that if social ills are not apparent, they exist nonetheless.
It is my opinion that the days of positive and needed liberalism are over. We dont have slaves, women are free, the rule of law is strong. Of course there are exceptions but our society in the western world doesn't have any major social problems except liberalism itself.
In short: Its not broken anymore, quit trying to fix society with harmful socialist policies.
There should be a poll about who hijacks threads and takes them off-topic the most, but it would get hijacked by an argument over conservative v liberal views.
The most under-rated neo-con is TuffStuff , wildly extreme. There are also some pretenders who arent conservatives at all, just angry young men.
Dave isnt a conservative as much as he is a fundamentalist Christian.
Kafir is the most radical liberal, which is appropriate for his name.
There are several in here who are hard to peg, and that's a damn good thing
ichi :bow:
You don't know who I am - and I'd bet you don't want to know. Mwahaha!
What about me. I swing either way. Am I Bi-Paritisan
I must be one of the most environmentally liberal. I'm pretty hardcore, although I must admit that I drive a car.
Apparently, I'm Panzer's opposite. I can't find much on which I agree with the conservatives.
I think Navaros opposed the war in Iraq. That skews his rating in my opinion. He seems the most religiously conservative to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
Politics are difficult. Emotionally I am a very liberal person. In reality I am a very reactionary person. I really like the Amercian systems, except the foreign policy and the misuse of the legal system. The emotional beliefs in individual freedom are most of the time in conflict with my practical experience with rules and regulation of people in order to get a society to function efficient. The largest threat against democracy is actually the voters themselves. Opportunism and ignorant views are today driving the western democracies away from development and evolution to a better society.
Tuff Stuff a neo-con? Wildly extreme?!?!? ~:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by ichi
Are we talking about TuffStuff or Panzer?
Who are the angry young conservative men? Gawain?