Gallia : Total War

Hi all !

Sorry for my poor english but I will try to do my best.

I am currently researching skinners and modelers for a new mod called Gallia TW. I have seen others posts there speaking about mods ideas on the same theme but my project have began since a few time.

The mod is about the wars of the gauls, and Supertw (who's also working on the Black Moon's Chronicles mod, and the initiator of Gallia TW) is currently working on the map.

We have choosed a compromise between make all of the celtic tribes playables and make only one faction for the Gauls. There will be 12 factions :

Non-gauls factions :
- Britons
- Germans
- Romans (house of julii)

Gauls factions :
- Helvetes
- Arverni
- Eduani
- Remes
- Senoni
- Carnuti
- Aquitani
- Armoric Coalition
- Belgic Coalition

As you can see, there are two types of Gauls factions, the first type is made of the strongest tribes that will own client tribes, and the second one is made of coalition.

The mod will tend to be historic, so there no more stupid nude barbarians but real celts warriors. I have also contacted historic re-enactement groups to help us.

I have also to show you some concept arts made by Lucterios. We will try to make each faction have quite differents warriors but they will look like this.
Another idea for us is to make a specific unit in each territory (for exemple, arverni cavalry), and if you take it you can train this unit.

The roman cavalry will be made of gauls and germans auxiliairies.

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/2349/gallia018kl.th.jpg
Ambacte and Soldure are elite warriors.
http://img290.echo.cx/img290/9279/gallia023nq.th.jpg

http://img290.echo.cx/img290/3165/gallia038bc.th.jpg

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/5778/gallia042uv.th.jpg

Also, for those who understand french, this is the original post on esprit-str :

http://forums.esprit-str.com/viewtop...er=asc&start=0


I have also another mod project, whose name is 'Arthurian : Total War', it will be based on the x-pack but I will gave you more informations about it latter.

C'est bien cool. Malheureusement, je n'ai aucun talent pourquel t'en cherches. Mais...peut-être les "Allemands" seraient plutôt un tribu avec un nom propre, ou peut-être plus qu'un tribu. Je comprend que c'est un mod au propos de Gaule, mais c'est aussi un mod historique, oui?

Bonne chance avec la recherche des skinneurs et modèleurs (y a t-il des mots propres pour ces termes anglais?).

Bonjour Agraes, bienvenu a le .ORG. :smile:



Unfortunately I can’t help, I’m busy with my own mod, but maybe you could ask kindly at EB to use some of their skins ? It’s a possibility, you could call it a sub-mod of EB…



NeonGod, puisque aux .ORG la plupart des gens parle Anglais, c’est utile de mettre une version Anglaise de ton texte.

NeonGod, since at the .ORG most people speak English, its useful to put an English version of your text. :wink:



NeonGod’s text in English:

That’s cool. Unfortunately, I don’t have any of the skills your looking for. But … maybe (not sure here, this isn’t exactly clear NeonGod « peut-être les seraient plutôt un tribu » ?) there should be a tribe with a proper noun, or even more than one tribe. I understand that this is a mod about Gaule, but its also a historical mod, yes?



NeonGod, there are already several tribes, there’s a list of them in his post… What are you trying to say? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Bonjour Agraes, bienvenu a le .ORG. :smile:



Unfortunately I can’t help, I’m busy with my own mod, but maybe you could ask kindly at EB to use some of their skins ? It’s a possibility, you could call it a sub-mod of EB…



NeonGod, puisque aux .ORG la plupart des gens parle Anglais, c’est utile de mettre une version Anglaise de ton texte.

NeonGod, since at the .ORG most people speak English, its useful to put an English version of your text. :wink:



NeonGod’s text in English:

That’s cool. Unfortunately, I don’t have any of the skills your looking for. But … maybe (not sure here, this isn’t exactly clear NeonGod « peut-être les seraient plutôt un tribu » ?) there should be a tribe with a proper noun, or even more than one tribe. I understand that this is a mod about Gaule, but its also a historical mod, yes?



NeonGod, there are already several tribes, there’s a list of them in his post… What are you trying to say? :confused:

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Derrrrr...

J'ai mis le mot "Allemands" en parenthèses francais, mais, je pense, les parenthèses ont été considéré comme html. Arrgh.

Arrrgh.

Je vais le modifier maintenant.

For the anglos out there:

I was just suggesting that ze Germans are called by their proper tribe names and not just a general "Germans"; even though the mod is about Gaul, it IS historical mod. Why make them all a single, white-washed faction if there was more than one, and even if not, why not change the name?

Thanks for answering me ~D

As you might know, there are a lot of differents tribes in Gaul, I have read about 500 ! So we can't represent them all, we have to make differents factions. With 9 Gauls factions, it is at all a real challenge to make for them a different gameplay.

For Germans, and also Brittons, I know they were also a lot of tribes ! But as you say, the mod is based on the war of Gauls, the map will not represent a big part of Britain and Germany, so I think we will kept only one German faction and only one Britton faction for the moment.
We could also rename 'Germans' by Cimbres or Teutons, two tribes who had an action during the War of Gauls.

Maybe, in a latter version of the mod we will see ~D

Myrddraal, Im sorry to ask about it, but who's EB ?

Erg, sorry (no editing option ?) ! ~:rolleyes:

I have understand, EB for Europa Barbaorum ~D

Aniway, if we made new skins they can be included in others mods :grin:

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Originally Posted by Agraes

Thanks for answering me ~D

As you might know, there are a lot of differents tribes in Gaul, I have read about 500 ! So we can't represent them all, we have to make differents factions. With 9 Gauls factions, it is at all a real challenge to make for them a different gameplay.

For Germans, and also Brittons, I know they were also a lot of tribes ! But as you say, the mod is based on the war of Gauls, the map will not represent a big part of Britain and Germany, so I think we will kept only one German faction and only one Britton faction for the moment.
We could also rename 'Germans' by Cimbres or Teutons, two tribes who had an action during the War of Gauls.

Maybe, in a latter version of the mod we will see ~D

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Ah, il y a deux tribus qui ont battu les Gaulois. J'aimerais tellement si ces deux tribus étaient représentés séparément, mais c'est mon opinion.

Si vous avez besoin d'aide que n'est pas pour "skinner" ou "modèler", j'offre mes services modestes.

Mmm well I don't know for other germanic tribes but those ones were allied in invading Gaul, so Germans will be represented as a sort of coalition, like Armoricain coalition who regroup many tribes : Veneti, Corosioliti, Ossismi, Unelli, and many others.

And for helping us, Im ok and I will keep you informated ~D

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Originally Posted by Agraes

Mmm well I don't know for other germanic tribes but those ones were allied in invading Gaul, so Germans will be represented as a sort of coalition, like Armoricain coalition who regroup many tribes : Veneti, Corosioliti, Ossismi, Unelli, and many others.

And for helping us, Im ok and I will keep you informated ~D

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Es-tu sure que les tribus Germaniques n'était pas en competition avec l'un l'autre?

Merci bien.

http://imperiale.org/~galliatw/ :bow:

Tu travailles sur deux mods à la fois, SuperTW? Bon courage!

Ce mod a l'air intéressant, malgré mes connaissances historiques j'ignore largement ce qui c'est passé en Gaule (mais j'ai lu "de bellum Gallicum", le livre de Jules César - en anglais, bien sur!)

Je me réjouis de jouer en tant qu'Helvêtes, étant Suisse. ~:)

Bonne chance à vous deux. ~:cheers:

Cimbres and Teutons were coalised to invade Gaul, and another name have to be there, the name of Arioviste, warlord of the Suevi, who meet Caesar. The Suevi were a germanic tribe, but Arioviste had a celtic name, so it is difficult to say really what tribes were celts and what were germans !

Caesar have only said that the tribes he have conquered were gauls, and the tribes he didnt conquered were germans.

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/8776/gallia1wn.gif

Supertw t'as fait une faute, c'est "Unifiez" pas Unifier ~D

Supertw you made a mistake, it is 'Unifiez' not 'Unifier'

As you can see, french is very difficult, indeed for french people :dizzy2:

Trad : Unite Gaul and then the world will shake :scared:

J'en perd mon François oh la honte for me ~D

Lucterios has just achieved the concept arts for the romans.

http://img249.echo.cx/img249/6043/gallia056he.th.jpg
Legionnaries.
http://img249.echo.cx/img249/7549/gallia060qt.th.jpg
Auxiliaries.

http://img188.echo.cx/img188/8977/gallia072ks.th.jpg
Cavalry.

C'est beau. Il est talentueux, ce Lucterios.

Err..le mot, c'est "tireur", et pas "archer", oui?

Archer=bowman, I will translate in English the description of the warriors ~D

Gallic Units

http://img51.echo.cx/img51/9112/gaulambactesmall3tu.jpg
Ambact : constitute with the soldure the elite infantry of the gallic armies. It's a professional soldier with a very good equipment.
Armed with long sword, protected by chain mail (strengthen at the shoulders) and a great oval shield.
Historiccaly, ambact and soldure form the close gard of the noble.
It's a redoubtable warrior.

http://img51.echo.cx/img51/2522/gaulsolduresmall0kt.jpg
Soldure : with the same fonction as the ambact, it's an elite warrior. He differes of the ambact by his equipment. He wear the gallic coat, a chain mail without shoulders, a helmet and a great shied.
He is armed with the pike (about 3 metres long spear that allow him to form the gallic phalanx).

Ambact and soldure are the best infantry units of the Gauls.

http://img51.echo.cx/img51/4070/gaul...ansmall0wr.jpg
Basic infantry : first spearmen that can train the Gauls. Armed with a 2 metres long spear and a great shield.

We will made differents modifications to have a different ambact for the arverni and for the eduens (for example) : differents symbols on the shields, a panache on the helmet, shoulders or not, coat or not...

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/3026/ga...ansmall1jr.jpg
Swordman : like the spearman it is not a professional soldier, but he can many his weapons with dexterity and he can buy a good equipment : helmet, shield and sword. He carry the long sword and a great shield. A leather helmet complete his equipment.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/7418/ga...ansmall2xj.jpg
Bowman.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/5755/ga...ersmall4vc.jpg
Slinger.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/9472/ga...ersmall8uq.jpg
Javelin Thrower.


Light infantry gather bowmen, slingers and javelin throwers. They were used a lot during the War of Gauls, but are not professional soldiers. Some of them were specialists of their weapon.

Gauls are powerful riders.
The cavalry, elite corps of the gallic army, is historically composed of the nobles and their clients. It's an army of professional warriors who spend their time at war or at hunt.
The horse is equiped with a harness with belts and a '4 horns saddle' that maintain the rider and allow him to fight.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/1361/ga...ersmall0xw.jpg
Mounted javelin thrower : redoubtable for harcelement and ambush, armed with the gabalocos and protected by a round shield.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/9803/ga...avsmall5us.jpg
Light cavalry : very well equiped, the gallic light cavalry have nothing to envy of her adversaries. Fierce warriors well exercised with weapon handling.

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/5493/ga...avsmall4sj.jpg
Noble cavalry : the elite of the elite. Those men rather like prestige horses imported from far countries. With those horses skilled for combat, gallic cavalry is well considered on battlefields. They got the same equipment as the heavy infantry : helmet, long sword, shield, spear, coat and chainmail with shoulders.

We may envisage another cavalry unit, the ambact cavalry.

Original text and concept arts : Lucterios (all rights reserved)
Translation : Agraes

I will make the same work for roman units this afternoon if I got the time to do it ~D

C'est du beau travail ~D Seulement, t'as fait beaucoups de fautes d'anglais...

@Duncan_Hardy: On a pas tous la chance d'être bilingue :furious3: lol

@Agreas: Fais pas attention à se qu'il dit, il est jaloux de ton boulot lol

Yeah, I'm the best ...

Le principal c'est que tout le monde me comprenne à peu près ~D

The main thing is that everibody can understand me :dizzy2:

Today, the Germans.

http://img43.echo.cx/img43/548/gallia085pl.th.jpg
Infantry.

http://img155.echo.cx/img155/7374/gallia095ay.th.jpg
Skirmisher.

http://img155.echo.cx/img155/5556/gallia104ac.th.jpg
Cavalry.

Then will come the uniques units.
I will try to translate in english the units description (like I have done for the Gauls) in the following days.

De bonnes nouvelles photos. Le frondeur semble comme un garçon jeune..est-ce l'intention?

Yes it is ~D

As I have said...

Roman Units

http://img148.echo.cx/img148/7573/ro...rysmall6ll.jpg
Legionnary :
One of the fundamental advantage that had the Roman army is this quality equipment given to all her soldiers : in gallic armies, only the richest can bought a such equipment.
He wear the chain mail, he hold the roman shield, a bronze helmet (gallic one was often in iron), and the gladius (70cm long under Caesar).

http://img148.echo.cx/img148/825/rom...ansmall8ip.jpg
Legion veteran :
At war, experience is a major plus. Caesar had in his ranks skilled soldiers which were tested severely.
He got the legionnary equipment, he hold the pilum, the cingulum (the belt), and a panache on his helmet.

http://img298.echo.cx/img298/9836/ro...yxsmall2ue.jpg
Xth Legion legionnary :
The Xth Legion was made of the most experienced soldiers. Caesar put them on his right on the battlefield, the honor place.
This one wear a gallic coat.
The help of those soldiers was crucial during the battle of Gergovie were they allow Caesar to retreat with minimum casualties.

http://img54.echo.cx/img54/4434/roma...rysmall2dd.jpg
Gallic auxiliary :
Some tribes who have good relations with Rome fight with the Legions.
Some of those auxiliaries come from the Provincia, this one have oval shield, spear, trousers.

http://img295.echo.cx/img295/5528/ro...ersmall2tz.jpg
Balearian Slinger :
Baleares's warriors are specialised in the sling use. A sling in skilled hands can kill an heavy rider. Caesar use some of them during the War of Gauls.

http://img295.echo.cx/img295/3593/ro...ansmall7vt.jpg
Archer auxiliary :
Very useful during the War of Gauls, because of the important number of sieges.
Archers come from province were men are skilled in bow.
He hold a bronze helm, a leather scale armor.


http://img88.echo.cx/img88/8632/roma...ersmall5qf.jpg
Pilum thrower :
Roman army do not have specialised soldiers for javelin throwing. If necessary, Legionnaries throw the pilum.
Wear a leather shirt and a bronze helm.

During the republic era, Rome got a very poor cavalry, her strengh was in her legions. To mitigate this weakness, the eternal city use a lot of foreign riders.

http://img155.echo.cx/img155/360/rom...rysmall3zn.jpg
Legionnary cavalry :
During the War of Gauls, Caesar create an embryo of legionnary cavalry. Thought well armed, this cavalry can't face the redoutable gallic cavalry.

http://img180.echo.cx/img180/8146/ro...avsmall6hr.jpg
Gallic auxiliary cavalry :
Some tribes allied with Rome give to Caesar precious cavalrymen. Until the Empire, those riders wear dress specific to their ethnies.
Caesar use largely those riders.

http://img180.echo.cx/img180/9442/ro...avsmall1ev.jpg
Germanic auxiliary cavalry :
The usage of German mercenaries was the determining element of the Roman victory upon Vercingétorix. That redoubtable cavalrie worked by binomial, a light foot soldier striking the enemy horse with its lance or its sword.
The German rider did not have more than to pierce the Gallic warrior on the ground. It's a particularly effective unity against cavalry.
The warrior hold the framée and a small round shield.

German units

Germans have poor equipment, but they are brave, determined and courageous warriors, inspiring terror in their ennemies ranks.

http://img243.echo.cx/img243/2905/ge...ansmall5ut.jpg
Sugambre spearman :
In germanic tradition, war is an art. All men in age to hold weapons are skilled warriors. In those tribes, when the child became a man, the elders give him the framée (spear with a little but sharp point) and the great shield.
Flee the battlefiled without it will be a deep shame.

http://img232.echo.cx/img232/8914/ge...ansmall6bp.jpg
Tanctère spearman :
Sometimes germans have a terryfing aspect, raising a bun dyed in red.
This warrior old the framée and a great shield.

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/7867/ge...ansmall6qj.jpg
Teuton swordman :
The long sword is made for hit with the dulled, the gladius or the dagger for estoc. So some long swords got a square point.

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/939/germa...mssmall6ct.jpg
Men-at-arms :
Rich warlords can have a personnal gard of skilled warriors.
This one have a long sword and a great shield.

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/6036/germ...ansmall9xm.jpg
Cimbre bowman.

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/8344/germ...ersmall6lu.jpg
Javelin thrower.

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/4660/germ...ersmall8tq.jpg
Slinger.

Some germanic tribes were specialised in cavalry, with sucess. Contrary to the gallic cavalry, the germans riders constitute a light cavalry on small indigens horses.

http://img162.echo.cx/img162/2238/ge...ersmall6ks.jpg
Usipete cavalry :
The superiority of the German cavalry was based on the use of light footmen that were skilled acrobats : they can ride, run, jump on the horse and they have to kill the ennemy horse.
The footmen and the rider are both armed with the framée.

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/1816/ge...hersmall6d.jpg
Harass the ennemy with javelins and retreat was a good way to help the infantry.

http://img61.echo.cx/img61/2924/germ...avsmall8uq.jpg
Tenctere cavalry :
A redoubtable warrior (ennemy chief's head is here to not forgot it). Throw javelins before go in contact.


That's it for the moment ! I hope I don't have make too much mistakes :tongue:

Unique units :

http://img224.echo.cx/img224/4798/gallia117wq.th.jpg
(Right : Aeduani cavalry ; Left : Arvern Cavalry)

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8350/gallia126iz.th.jpg
(Right : Basq slinger ; Left : Eburon bowman)

http://img174.echo.cx/img174/7918/gallia131dq.th.jpg
(Right : Carnute swordman ; Left : Helvet speamen)

http://img88.echo.cx/img88/5540/gallia142tu.th.jpg
(From left to right : coriosilit pikeman ; senon swordman ; reme spearman)

I have question about unit size.

Gallic tribes didn't field large armies when fought each other, but against romans they did.

how will you reflect this? Gauls have shorther building times than romans but smaller unit sizes too?

Oh and sorry about my bad english, but i hope you understand what i mean...

The Gallic ones were more numerous than the Romans, there will be more building thus more units