"We'll Stay Multiculturally Correct - Even if it Kills Us"

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"We'll Stay Multiculturally Correct - Even if it Kills Us"
- Diana West, The Washington Times

Only one faith on Earth may be more messianic than Islam: Multiculturalism.

Without it - without its fanatics who believe all civilizations are the same - the engine that projects Islam into the unprotected heart of Western civilization would stall and fall. It's as simple as that. To live among the believers - the multiculturalists - is to watch the assault, the jihad, take place unrepulsed by our suicidal societies. These societies are not doomed to submit; rather, they are eager to do so in the name of a masochistic brand of tolerance that, short of drastic measures, is surely terminal.

I'm not talking about our soldiers, policemen, rescue workers and, now, even train conductors, who bravely and steadfastly risk their lives for civilization abroad and at home. Instead, I'm thinking about who we are as a society at this somewhat advanced stage of war. It is a strange, tentative civilization we have become, with leaders who strut their promises of "no surrender" even as they flinch at identifying the foe. Four years past 9/11, we continue to shadow-box "terror", even as we go on about "an ideology of hate". It's a script that smacks of sci-fi fantacy more than Realpolitik . But our grim reality is no summer blockbuster, and there's no special-effects-enhanced plot twist that is going to thwart "terror" or "hate" in the London Underground anymore than it did on the roof of the World Trade Center. Or in the Bali nightclub. Or on the first day of school in Beslan. Or in any disco, city bus, or shopping mall in Israel.

Body bags, burn masks and prosthetics are no better protections than make-believe. But these are our weapons, according to the powers that be.

These, and an array of high-tech scopes and scanners designed to identify retinas & fingerprints, to detect explosives and metals- ultimately, I presume, as we whisk through the automatic supermarket door. How strange, though, that even as we devise new ways to see inside ourselves to our most elemental components, we also prevent ourselves from looking full-face at the danger to our way of life posed by Islam.

Notice I didn't say "Islamisists". Or "Islmaofascists". Or "fundamentalist extremists." I've tried out such terms in the past, but I've come to find them artificial and confusing, and maybe purposefully so, because in their imprecision I think they allow us to give a wide berth to a great problem: the gross incompatibility of Islam - the religious force that shrinks freedom even as it "moderately" enables or "extremistly" advances jihad - with the West. Am I right? Who's to say? The very topic fo Islamization - for that is what is at hand, and very soon in Europe - is verboten . A leaked British report prepared for Prime Minister Tony Blair last year warned even against "expressions of concern about Islamic fundamentalism" (another one of those amorphous terms) because "many perfectly moderate Muslims follow strict adherence to traditional Islamic teachings and are likely to perceive such expressions as a negative comment on their own approach to their faith". Much better to watch subterranean tunnels fill with charred body parts in silence.

As the London Times' Simon Jenkins wrote, "The sane response to urban terrorism is to regard it as an avoidable accident". In not discussing the roots of terror in Islam itself, in not learning about them, the multicultural clergy that shepherds our elites prevents us from having to do anything about them. This is key, because any serious action - stopping immigration from jihad-sponsoring nations, shutting down mosques that preach violence and expelling their imams, just for starters - means to renounce the multicultural creed. In the West, that's the greatest apostasy.

And while the penalty is not death - as it is for leaving Islam under Islamic law - the existential crisis is to be avoided at all costs. Including extinction.

This is the lesson of the atrocities in London. It's unlikely that the 21st century will remember that this new Western crossroads for global jihad was once the home of Churchill, Piccadilly and Sherlock Holmes. Then again, who will notice? The BBC has retroactively purged its online bombing coverage of the word "terrorist"; the spokesman for the London police commissioner has declared that "Islam and terrorism simply don't go together"; and within sight of a forensics team sifting through rubble, an Anglican priest urged his flock, as The Guardian reported, to "rejoice in the capital's rich diversity of cultures, traditions, ethnic groups and faiths." Just don't, he said, "name them as Muslims." Their faith renewed, Londoners soldier on.

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A brave woman.. I hope she doesnt end up stabbed to death or blown up.. :no:

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Notice I didn't say "Islamisists". Or "Islmaofascists". Or "fundamentalist extremists." I've tried out such terms in the past, but I've come to find them artificial and confusing, and maybe purposefully so, because in their imprecision I think they allow us to give a wide berth to a great problem: the gross incompatibility of Islam - the religious force that shrinks freedom even as it "moderately" enables or "extremistly" advances jihad - with the West.

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Last time I looked one of the largest emerging democracies in South East Asia was Muslim as its neighbouring country... a total of almost 300 million people or a third of Muslims outright. I also note that Turkey is a Muslim democracy.

So Islam isn't anti-democracy. What is anti-democracy is fundamentalists of all relgions.

Also Pakistan is returning to democracy to the point that it is back into the Commonwealth of Nations.

I would name the terrorists as Muslims just like I name the IRA Catholics. I however do not same that Catholics are anti-democracy even thought the schism that lead to the reformation could be said to have lead to more democracy in the reformed countries...
Nor do I say that all Christians are cross burning murders based on the KKK.

Paint with too broad a brush and you can paint a barn not a picture.

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So Islam isn't anti-democracy. What is anti-democracy is fundamentalists of all relgions.

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Relativity has become a knee-jerk reaction.

If we dont stop trying to find bad people of an equivolent nature in our own society and actually address the main cause of islamic terrorism, then the rising body count will be no one's fault but our own.

If you keep blaming an entire religion you will not find the answer.

Look at post WWI Germany, the economy, the depression, the need to blame another group. The Nazis feed on the hopes and aspirations of the people around them and gave them someone else to blame for the situation. It was the Allies fault for the depression because of the terms and conditions of surrender from WWI (ignoring that the depression was hitting the victors as well). That it was a consipiracy of a religious group to wipe them out... Crystal Night. That a hardline group took power over the general power base... Night of the Long Knives.

A lot of the same conditions and manipulations can be seen in raising the people who become terrorists and those whom are manipulated into being facists.

The terrorists are told that their leaders have access to the absolute truth, that their is an enemy and that enemies destruction will yield a better life both now and beyond. You can turn your life around with just the touch of a button. Kill your enemy and all will be wonderful...

Idle hands are the devils tools. I am opposed to fundamentalist absolute answers because those are the very tools of the terrorists.

A brief glance on the internet about the author... hahahahahahahaha...

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Idle hands are the devils tools. I am opposed to fundamentalist absolute answers because those are the very tools of the terrorists.

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I think we should use a different word than fundamentalist. There is nothing wrong with fundamentalism.
As we discussed in the “What is a Jew” thread, a fundamentalist is just someone who opposes modernism, someone who want to take the direction of a religion back to its fundamentals. If those fundamentals are peace and love which are true for most religions, even Islam, there should be no connection between fundamentalists and terror.
If we are using extremists, the ones that needs to take things further than necessary because of who knows what, we start getting closer to a more correct wording.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

As we discussed in the “What is a Jew” thread, a fundamentalist is just someone who opposes modernism, someone who want to take the direction of a religion back to its fundamentals.

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True, Pindar is not an extremist and he is quite pleasant to talk to as well..... ~;)

That thread is absurd, but his posts are enlightening. Hey, didn't you write something in that 8 page thread?

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Only one faith on Earth may be more messianic than Islam: Multiculturalism.

Without it - without its fanatics who believe all civilizations are the same - the engine that projects Islam into the unprotected heart of Western civilization would stall and fall. It's as simple as that. To live among the believers - the multiculturalists - is to watch the assault, the jihad, take place unrepulsed by our suicidal societies. These societies are not doomed to submit; rather, they are eager to do so in the name of a masochistic brand of tolerance that, short of drastic measures, is surely terminal.

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Reducing the religious (and sexual and racial) tolerance that we in the West enjoy would be to give in to the demands of terrorism. We would become more and more insular, and cultures would become more and more polarised.

Is the author suggesting that the multicultural societies that we have today are worse than the bigotted societies that we used to have?

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

That thread is absurd, but his posts are enlightening. Hey, didn't you write something in that 8 page thread?

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Only about 4 pages.... :embarassed:

The West's great weakness against Islamic Extremism is its own liberalism.

Okay, I admit it. We Muslims are currently conspiring to impose our rule in the western world. I can’t wait to get PanzerJager to polish my shoes.

~:joker I think panzer would die before he became a slave ~:cheers:


So is Dâriûsh islamic and what does it mean?? I have been real confused by that ever sense i saw your name on here.

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Originally Posted by Dâriûsh

Okay, I admit it. We Muslims are currently conspiring to impose our rule in the western world. I can’t wait to get PanzerJager to polish my shoes.

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Hah! As if you had the power to get past the Pope and his Christian legions! ~;)

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Originally Posted by Spetulhu

Hah! As if you had the power to get past the Pope and his Christian legions! ~;)

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OMG LOL
yeah be carefull the pope's got a lot off armed groupies!

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OMG LOL
yeah be carefull the pope's got a lot off armed groupies!

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http://www.petersway.com/images/guards.jpg

Prepare to die. Their coming for you.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

http://www.petersway.com/images/guards.jpg

Prepare to die. Their coming for you.

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if they agree to use those uniforms they have to be a bunch of pansies anyway ~D

2003, the group around the neonazi Martin Wiese planned to blow off the Jewish center in Munic. They had more than 14 kg explosives. PJ, I know you oppose violence to jews, but since you call yourself a fascist, would you bother if we leave all that relativistic nonsense aside and declare you guilty by association?

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

So is Dâriûsh islamic and what does it mean?? I have been real confused by that ever sense i saw your name on here.

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Dariush (without the circumflexes) is my real name. I don’t recall what it means.

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Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

2003, the group around the neonazi Martin Wiese planned to blow off the Jewish center in Munic. They had more than 14 kg explosives. PJ, I know you oppose violence to jews, but since you call yourself a fascist, would you bother if we leave all that relativistic nonsense aside and declare you guilty by association?

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Nazism is not an ideological equivilent to Fascism. Compare Fascist Austria under Dollfuß to Nazi Germany, or Franco's Spain to Nazi Germany. You'll see several major differences.

By the way, the Swiss guard, by wearing those outragously sexy uniforms (I want one), prove that they have balls of steel.

Yeah right, nazi are socialists.

And mind you, the Swiss Guards are probably one of the best trained and most effectve army of the western world.

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Originally Posted by Dâriûsh

Okay, I admit it. We Muslims are currently conspiring to impose our rule in the western world. I can’t wait to get PanzerJager to polish my shoes.

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Get back in line, buddy. Conspiring to impose our rule in the western world is France's business.

Conservative America is going to polish our shoe's first... ~:smoking:

Not as long as we spend more on our military then the rest of you combined ~D

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2003, the group around the neonazi Martin Wiese planned to blow off the Jewish center in Munic

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That'd be blow up ~:cheers:

At least I hope so.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Yeah right, nazi are socialists.

And mind you, the Swiss Guards are probably one of the best trained and most effectve army of the western world.

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Nazism is an ideology unto itself, it takes economic ideas from Socialism and blends in it's own unique brand of hatred and opression, forming National Socialism (which, before Hitler brought in the hate, wasn't that bad), and Nazism.

Saying that all Fascists are the same is like saying that Socialism is Nazism.

A very provocative piece of article-like nonsence. Who is that lady btw?

Isnt it time we stop tollerating direct religion bashing in here? We are allready tollerating nazism and fascism and all that...is it ever gonna stop?

Articles like this, if they stir up anything at all, is religious sagregation. Their only purpose is to actually make muslim people support radical fanatics. Which is every fundamentalist americans dream anyway since deep in their hearts they do see all this as a religious war...

Dariush/Daryush/Darius owes it's popularity as a name to the fact that three (at least?) achaemenid persian kings had this name. i believe it appears in the bible too. it's a fairly common modern iranian name, iirc. it means "one who is kind" or something like that.

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Originally Posted by rasoforos

A very provocative piece of article-like nonsence. Who is that lady btw?

Isnt it time we stop tollerating direct religion bashing in here? We are allready tollerating nazism and fascism and all that...is it ever gonna stop?

Articles like this, if they stir up anything at all, is religious sagregation. Their only purpose is to actually make muslim people support radical fanatics. Which is every fundamentalist americans dream anyway since deep in their hearts they do see all this as a religious war...

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How harsh.

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A very provocative piece of article-like nonsence. Who is that lady btw?

Isnt it time we stop tollerating direct religion bashing in here? We are allready tollerating nazism and fascism and all that...is it ever gonna stop?

Articles like this, if they stir up anything at all, is religious sagregation. Their only purpose is to actually make muslim people support radical fanatics. Which is every fundamentalist americans dream anyway since deep in their hearts they do see all this as a religious war...

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How the hell can you see into people’s heart? Tell me where you learned this mystical power ~D


I see many people here bash America I will give quotes (but not names so no one is singled out) I used to see french bashing on here. If we can have that why not this. You also see christian bashing to on here too.

So why should islam be given better treatment.

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Dariush/Daryush/Darius owes it's popularity as a name to the fact that three (at least?) achaemenid persian kings had this name. i believe it appears in the bible too. it's a fairly common modern iranian name, iirc. it means "one who is kind" or something like that.

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It sounds similar to Darius... Oh, you said that. Um, I know that the last Darius was the Third, but there might have been another that wasn't counted.