What impact does the King's (and his sons) acumen have when they cannot be governors?
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What impact does the King's (and his sons) acumen have when they cannot be governors?
The Kings Acumen Boosts the Income of your nation as a whole. For Ex. If the total income of your kingdom per se is X Florins, it will be boosted by the factor Y where is your Kings acumen to get the final income XY.
And the same shall hold true for your prince when he is annointed King, and those that do not suceed to the throne but are set aside can be used as governors, i.e all the present King's Uncles will be usable as governors as soon as his son takes the throne. :bow:
I believe that every quill of acumen increases the Kingdom's tax revenue by 5%.
i thought it was 2% per quill?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey_Fox
I think it may be 5% for governors (provincial income) and less (2%) for the king's accumen and the federal income.Quote:
Originally Posted by yesdachi
Seems to be a wide difference of opinion here, so apologies for adding to the confusion.
Thanks to some borderline-obsessive note-taking, I can confirm that, with governors, I was seeing approximetely 10% boost in income levels, per acumen feather. Notes are best done right at the start of the campaign, before any land improvements have gone in and before govs have been assigned. Get the 'base' output of each province first.
Not obsessive enough with the notes, however. I hitherto assumed that the King's acumen rating was largely academic, so I ignored it and didn't make note of that. (I have since found that NAMES.TXT or DEFAULT_HEROES.TXT contains kings' starting Cmd/Acumen/vnvs etc, so this can be looked up).
I'm on about my third Emperor (Byz, Early) in this campaign, so fluctuations in leader acumen may have happened, yet I still reckon I'm getting 10% per feather out of my govs.
To test for yourself: after you've conquered a province and have the provincial title ready to assign and a candidate govenor ready, right-click to bring up the province parchment, note down the income level, then drop the title on the gov (you can do this with the parchment still open, if you like). Compare the new value with the old and see what boost you get.
Interestingly, Ac-4 was giving me 40% plus some decimal points, so it's not exact and it suggests that king's acumen does play a part, so make a note of this as well.
If I come up with any useful new information, I'll post again.
EDIT: I have yet to build a Chancellery, if that's a help. I forget if an acumen-booster comes with it but it will be interesting to see if it boosts just one Gov's province or the entire economy.
I thought the chancellary just gave you the title to assign to one governor?
The Chancellery gives an acumen booster of +2 quills.
Only to one governor.
But it's one of those rare examples of where you can give two titles to the same person. Giving it to the guy who is already in charge of your richest province will be a great boon to your economy.
At first glance, the Chancellery just looks expensive and useless but, if your top acumen Gov is looking after somewhere like Flanders, Sweden, Khazar, Constantiople, Antioch, Tripoli, Venice, Sicily, Egypt then the investment is going to pay for itself rather quickly.
You are right on the money (pun intended ~D ). It has been my experience that each quill a governor has is worth +10%. The chancellery is one of the few opportunities that are available to double title a general with a quill enhancer. The only other one I can think of is the archbishop (I think that is what it is called) title you get after building a cathedral. There may be an equivalent one for the Muslims but I’m not sure. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Not sure about the Turks but I know for certain that Eggies and Almos both get a 'Qadi-al-Qada', right from turn one of the game. That can be a double.
I honestly don't know what the Cathy/Ortho equivalent of it is, or if it's connected to a building. Do they start with a ready-built Royal Palace?
My (Byz) Gov of Constantiople already has his second title - Constable of the Palace and I think Gov of Antioch got the chancellorship. Cathedral completes in 1197, 8 years from where I'm at.
My King of Naples is still in office. He picked up 'Humanist' (+3) AND something else (+1), taking him up to Ac-8! I wonder if the wrap-around bug might mean a +2 boost would be wasted on him?
Anatolia is Ac7, Nicaea is a 6, Rhodes gives +2, making another 7 and nearly everyone else is a 4, so I need shades to look at my income fiigures at the mo ~:cool: :greedy: :toff: :builder:
Would it have the same effect to just give the Chancellery title (or Worms in
my HRE game) to another equally quilled guy and just keep him in the same
province with the regular governor? I currently own Sweden, Flanders,
Venice, Tripoli, and Antioch so it will be a difficult choice in which to place
him :dizzy2: .
Hi Fred,
My thinking is that the Chancellery title has an empire-wide effect, much like the king's acumen does, so it does [EDIT: doesn't (gah!)] matter where he ends up residing.
I didn't check for changes when I did it in my campaign, so I can't say for sure how much percentage boost it gives.
Personally, I'd give it to my best acumen gov, assuming he hasn't got two titles already.
Nothing wrong in giving it to a gov with no title yet.
My only concern about roving/static governors is what would happen if I stuffed up, lost a battle and they got captured. I'd expect the ransom to be correspondingly steep. A bit like losing a prince, say.
I'd feel obliged to pay too, if it was a particularly good gov or worse, several of them. :dizzy2:
Suffice to say that, conservative player as I am, I keep them off the front line and, time/training slots permitting, they get retrained with my top quality of armour plus church etc morale boosts.
The effects of acumen differ for governors and kings. A province will see a 10% increase in income for every quill the governor has, and a kingdom will see a 2% increase in income for every quill the King has. The acumen of princes has no effect. You can find this in the numerology thread.
The Chanchelor's acumen has, BTW, no effect on the income of the state either, only the King's has. When I first played the game I thought the chanchelor managed the state finances as well, but it appears this is not the case. The poor king has to do it all.
No, if you gave the title to a general who isnt a guv then you won't get any benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgfred
For the Catholic factions, there are usually three titles that give acumen, the Lord Chamberlain, Chancellor/Keeper of the Privy Seal, and Archbishop.
ichi :bow:
Thanks for the clarification, Ludens.
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Originally Posted by Ludens
Well, if it was actually entitled 'numerology', I wouldn't have stopped to look at it, mistaking it for off-topic chat about the flakey mumbo-jumbo of the same name, or arguments over same.
@ichi,
glad you pointed that out. Thanks also.
~DQuote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The thread is pinned over at the .com forums, so it is hard to miss, but I should have told you were to find it. It contains a wealth of information about M:TW.
Why wouldn't you get 'any' benefit? Don't those titles help loyalty atQuote:
Originally Posted by ichi
least? ~:confused:
I'm glad it does something. It is a shame you can't give family titles, it would be worth doing even though they would lose them when the ascend the throne or die.
Thanks to Ludens, as usual ~;)
I have registered at the com, fairly recently but I was after something specific (technical) so, stickied or not, I didn't see it. Come to think of it, I think I've only visited there twice so far.