China Begins ‘Unrestricted Warfare'

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China Begins ‘Unrestricted Warfare'
NewsMax.com
Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005
Chinese Web sites are being used to target computer networks in the U.S. Defense Department and other federal agencies.


The hackers have successfully penetrated hundreds of unclassified networks, according to officials who spoke to the Washington Post.


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Thus far no classified systems have been breached.

But authorities are concerned because even seemingly innocuous information can yield useful intelligence to an enemy when pieced together from various sources.

"The scope of this thing is surprisingly big," said a government official who spoke anonymously to the Washington Post about the incidents, which stretch back as far as three years and have been code-named "Titan Rain" by American investigators.

Some analysts in the Pentagon believe the attacks constitute a coordinated effort by the Chinese government to spy on U.S. databases.

Also, the Chinese published a military manual in 1999 entitled "Unrestricted Warfare." The book calls for "computer" warfare against the United States, the nation China has identified as its likely enemy in a future war.

Not everyone agrees China's military is behind the hacking. Some think the Titan Rain attacks are the work of hackers simply using Chinese networks to disguise the source of the attacks, the Post reports.

But why would civilian hackers be so focused on U.S. military internet platforms? The Pentagon has more computers than any other U.S. agency – about 5 million worldwide – and therefore is the most exposed to hackers.

Pentagon figures reveal that more attempts to penetrate Defense Department systems come from China than from any other nation.

Lt. Col. Mike VanPutte, vice director of operations for the Pentagon's Joint Task Force for Global Network Operations, said this doesn't mean that China is the original source of the attacks, only that it is "the last hop" before they reach their targets.

China is favored by hackers because the country has 119 million Internet users, and many of their computers can be compromised, said VanPutte. Also, there are no cyber-investigation agreements between China and the U.S.

Last year the number of attempted attacks from all sources totaled about 79,000, and hackers succeeded in gaining access to a Defense Department computer in about 1,300 cases, officials said. Computer Warfare Planned

The Pentagon's latest annual report on Chinese military power contained a section on the development of computer attack systems by China.

It said the People's Liberation Army views computer operations as "critical to seize the initiative" in establishing "electromagnetic dominance" early in a conflict.

"The PLA has likely established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks," the report stated.

China's plan for "Unrestricted Warfare" was detailed in a manual written by two Chinese colonels.

The manual cites the use of hackers and terrorism in a total war against the U.S.

"Unrestricted Warfare" became a bestselling book in China after Sept. 11. In their book, the Chinese generals had suggested years before the World Trade Center attacks that an attack by Osama bin Laden on the Twin Towers would be an excellent example of new warfare that would destabilize the U.S.

The CIA's translation of the manual reveals that China regards the U.S. as its main enemy, and includes strategies for using computers, smuggling illegal immigrants and using weapons of mass destruction to destroy America.

The manual was developed after the Chinese witnessed America's technological prowess during the 1991 Gulf War. The Chinese colonels sought to develop a strategy using alternative methods that could defeat U.S. technological superiority in a future war.

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So should we be worried? Is there anything we can do about this?

China will of course somehow play his role as a superpower.

Napoleon once said :

"China is a sleeping giant. Let her lie and sleep, for when she awakens she
will astonish the world." (Sorry if not exactly accurate..)

In fact, US would like such a rival, because leadership needs pushing and rivalry.

In Germany there was a book called Die Gelbe Gefahr (The Yellow Peril) which predicted China's eminence in such a globalised world. Well, you know what they say, attack is the best form of defence.

You know, I am not a very violent person, but from time to time I find myself wishing that the US and Russia would just launch all their ICBMs and blast China back to the Precambrain era.

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Originally Posted by meatwad

but from time to time I find myself wishing that the US and Russia would just launch all their ICBMs and blast China back to the Precambrain era.

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Why?

For hacking into computers?

Hmm ... I wonder if the US would try to do the same in China? :rolleyes:

^^Thats also true..

I find it very hard to believe the US isnt doing exactly the same thing. Yet Im worried, or more accurately, I will be in about 10 years.

What do you guys think,how long it takes China to become serious rival for US?

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Originally Posted by kagemusha

What do you guys think,how long it takes China to become serious rival for US?

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10-20 years no more than that, I've read somewhere that within 25 years or so China would have 2 to 3 times more economical power than germany (currently about the N°3 in the world?) at least if the situation would stay the same as now. I've got no problem with them becomming an economical power if they at least became it fair and square. Because untill now they have become it by unfair competition in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

10-20 years no more than that, I've read somewhere that within 25 years or so China would have 2 to 3 times more economical power than germany (currently about the N°3 in the world?) at least if the situation would stay the same as now. I've got no problem with them becomming an economical power if they at least became it fair and square. Because untill now they have become it by unfair competition in my opinion.

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You have the same timeframe that i do.About Chinese economics.I think its pretty much out of our hands where large companies concentrate their mass production in the Globalized market.China has some very good advances in that competition.Cheap labour and relatively stable situation,wich cant be sayed from many its competitors.I think that eventually Chinese start to get better income and the mass production will move into cheaper countries. :bow:

Perhaps the best way to slow the sleeping dragons climb to superpowerdom would be for the US to send a new FOX or MTV channel there with every 1,000 jobs sent there ~;) . Soon their young will want as much to do with working as ours AaaHhaa Hhaa Ha! ~D

But seriously I have heard several estimates from anywhere between 10 and 20 years before they are a real powerhouse. I think it might be less. They could certainly flex some major muscle in almost any conflict encountered in the last 10 years if they had wanted to. And I think if the right conflict/situation pushed their buttons they could be very influential. Perhaps Korea in the future? I’m sure that they see the US as a major competitor but the US is also a big part of their economic growth and a resource that will help their economy grow. I doubt they would want to do anything that would end our relationship (at lease not for 10-20 years ~;) ).

Side note: a woman I know was asked to go to China for 16 months and do training at a factory. She was interested and went there to check it out before agreeing. She noted that everything was similar but a bit behind the US equivalent and was considering the position until she was told that because she was a woman and American that she would have to use the same bathroom as the factory workers… it was outside, actually, it was the outside. :inquisitive:

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she would have to use the same bathroom as the factory workers… it was outside, actually, it was the outside. :inquisitive:

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nice... :embarassed:

If we were to get in a War with China it would probably involve Korea or the Middle East. Also it would be a war of attrition after all China has 26% of the worlds pop. our military forces combined total 1.8 million when they have MILLIONS of people in their country. Also I believe they will wait because right now we are helping them alot and to go to war on us would be a mistake on their half. Question: Is China as technology advanced as us miltary wise?

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Originally Posted by Shottie

If we were to get in a War with China it would probably involve Korea or the Middle East. Also it would be a war of attrition after all China has 26% of the worlds pop. our military forces combined total 1.8 million when they have MILLIONS of people in their country. Also I believe they will wait because right now we are helping them alot and to go to war on us would be a mistake on their half. Question: Is China as technology advanced as us miltary wise?

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China is no way as advanced, and I'm chinese ~D That is reassuring as Taiwan seems a major stickling issue here

I think China will be a threat in 10-15 years, I doubt it'll take 20. At the moment, many of it's industries are really low value added and very horizontal (as in innovation is not as important as having support of local officials) at least that's what my family say...

Numbers matter far less than they used to. Unless you're doing an Iraq in which case Lord help you without more real boots on the ground, never mind ubertechnology

The difference at the moment between the armed forces of China and the United States is that the US is mobile, where as China is very slow. It simply doesn't have the level of infrastructure and logistics required to move a significant proportion of its military might to concentrate on a location, even if that location were the west of China. China needs to modernise its military if it wants to become a real player on the international scene.

It is this aspect of the modern battlefield that keeps the UK as a major player on the World scene, simply because it has the resources and capability to rapidly deploy sufficient forces anywhere in the globe. It is a prime of example of the importance of quality over quantity of forces in 5th age warfare. Contrast the British army to the army of North Korea.

unless something major happens no war will come I think China is smarter than that they aren't willing to destroy there country over taiwan

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

IIRC, doesn't the British army, uh, rely on the US? Last time I bothered to check, Britain hasn't fought a war by itself since the Falklands, which is something I would hardly call a fair fight.

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That may be but they are our stanchest ally and just because they haven't fought alone dosent mean there army isn't good

true but do you honestly beilve the us would lose agiasnt china

There are some natural limits which are going to rise up and smack China very hard in the near future. Unfortunately, this may make the situation even more unstable. China has a shortage of two resources necessary to continue its economic expansion.

One is energy. They are solving this, in part, with the Three Gorges hydroelectric project. But they are also increasingly reliant on foreign oil. This will become as much of a problem for them as it is for us.

The second shortage, and perhaps the most important in the long run, is water. China, like every other country in the world, has a limited supply of fresh water. Even though that supply is vast in China's case, their usage is also vast. Up until recently, that water has been sufficient to cover their needs for water for farming and food production and also for industrial/economic expansion. But they are quickly approaching a choke point where the industrial usage will cut into food production usage or vice versa. Something will have to give.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

There are some natural limits which are going to rise up and smack China very hard in the near future. Unfortunately, this may make the situation even more unstable. China has a shortage of two resources necessary to continue its economic expansion.

One is energy. They are solving this, in part, with the Three Gorges hydroelectric project. But they are also increasingly reliant on foreign oil. This will become as much of a problem for them as it is for us.

The second shortage, and perhaps the most important in the long run, is water. China, like every other country in the world, has a limited supply of fresh water. Even though that supply is vast in China's case, their usage is also vast. Up until recently, that water has been sufficient to cover their needs for water for farming and food production and also for industrial/economic expansion. But they are quickly approaching a choke point where the industrial usage will cut into food production usage or vice versa. Something will have to give.

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Well i'll like to add that China has being doing some exchanges here and some agreements and they now have to their disposse (i don't know from when) the supply of energy and water here in the South, where they're inverting their money. Though i really don't know in what this will end, i hope it's not a war of any kind, the situation here is already pretty unstable, though i doubt that the South will be touched, but one never knows.

I would be willing to bet that most of those breeches hardly come from the Chinese gov. at all, but rather are comitted by people taht are unaffiliated but are just using those networks as lily pads or proxies.

The thing that may put the breaks on a fiesty militaristic China is the Little Emperors.

Second generation children of the one child policy that are the only grandchild of four grandparents.

I don't think that the grandparents will be happy to send their spoilt brats to war when they only have the one.

These Little Emperors are spoilt and will fall naturally into a western style of consummerism.

So Hail the Little Emperors. They may not only stop Chinas overpopulation, they may also stop war.

China will get away with this as everything else. The world is just to scared of China.... Whimps.... ~;)

I aint scared of no chineese man them fightin words :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

China will get away with this as everything else. The world is just to scared of China.... Whimps.... ~;)

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Mass wave attacks are a bummer :bow: :smash: .

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

The thing that may put the breaks on a fiesty militaristic China is the Little Emperors.

Second generation children of the one child policy that are the only grandchild of four grandparents.

I don't think that the grandparents will be happy to send their spoilt brats to war when they only have the one.

These Little Emperors are spoilt and will fall naturally into a western style of consummerism.

So Hail the Little Emperors. They may not only stop Chinas overpopulation, they may also stop war.

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I've also heard it theorized that since there are so many more male one-children than female, that the vast and growing surplus of frustrated, un-married men will eventually provide the perfect engine for China's war-making machine (or even push China to war).

DA

Yeap I heard the same thing that no nation in history with an excess of males has not gone to war.

I'm not sure how scientific or accurate it is, as it does have the faint smell of truth mixed with gah!

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IIRC, doesn't the British army, uh, rely on the US? Last time I bothered to check, Britain hasn't fought a war by itself since the Falklands, which is something I would hardly call a fair fight.

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Oh there's no doubt they're good. The individual british soldier is as well trained as any american soldier, some probably better and some probably worse. I just think it's a little silly to say that it could, for example, take on North Korea. Numbers DO matter in a REAL war. Iraq was not a real war. Bosnia was not a real war. All those little horribly one-sided conflicts say nothing for the real power of an army.

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Hey GC, just refresh my memory, when was the last 'REAL war' in which the United States fought alone?

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Mass wave attacks are a bummer :bow: :smash: .

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You know China has sent men into space recently, something only the US and Soviet Union have been able to do?

The Korea war tactics are but a souvenir nowdays, in case of war between China and the US, no single US city would be spared by nuclear bombing.

I think whatever the circumstances China will be the dominating world power.

It is impossible to predict when this will happen, maybe 50 years maybe a century but it WILL happen as it is the only country that is growing and that has the potential for it.

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..... it does have the faint smell of truth mixed with gah!

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So many things do. ~:)

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Hey GC, just refresh my memory, when was the last 'REAL war' in which the United States fought alone?

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That would be the civil war, hell there wasn't any other country involved in that one =p then before that there was the American Revolution, two major wars fought by us, in the ~230 years we have been around, sounds like a good run to me. That and the world wars we fought in really wern't our problems, we just kinda finished them off for ya. Then I suppose there was vietnam.....well we lost that one as I recall, so we arn't invincible. I think we would have won it if we had had the support of our people. But we didn't so we pulled out early.

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Originally Posted by Shottie

If we were to get in a War with China it would probably involve Korea or the Middle East. Also it would be a war of attrition after all China has 26% of the worlds pop. our military forces combined total 1.8 million when they have MILLIONS of people in their country. Also I believe they will wait because right now we are helping them alot and to go to war on us would be a mistake on their half. Question: Is China as technology advanced as us miltary wise?

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The British actualy have some of the best guns in the world, believe it or not, the americans are using British guns in Iraq, the AS50 is capable of firing 1.5 miles within six inches of where the sights are, hold five shots =p as compaired with the Chinese type 79 7.62 only capable of firing .6 miles. American guns are capable of firing nearly as far as British sniper rifles, although I think 1.3 is the farthest I've seen, as for closer combat weapons, the Chinese is stuck using mainly M14's and AKs' of various sorts, the newest of the AKs' is the AK 103, much better than the previous but I havn't seen it's stats yet, I suspect that they are a little bit better than the previous models, but not by much. The american close combat weapons vary a LOT, from M4A1s' to .00 shotties. So in a ground war we would be able to take many times our own number, in combanation with the other weapons that we would use, such as rocket launchers, incindiary grenades, mortar fire, and artilery fire we would use. China doesn't have much of a military outside of its' army.

Chinas navy is moderate, and capable of holding its own, but not nearly as well as the military ships I had the pleasure of touring not more than two years ago. Lastly, for air combat, we are the best....period. Our B-12 bombers and jets are far more capable than anything China could conjure up.