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Simple yes and no give your opinion as well.
It has been discussed because of recent events were two service men were taken from a Police station by force. I personally think it will be the best thing to do, we should never have been there in the ifrst place nor should we stay.
Your opinions?
yes....pull out of Iraq and into France.....only joking.....iran
No. If British forces left now the Americans might lose what little control they have. The resulting civil war would be nasty business.
Of course they should pull out. The question is when and under what circumstances, supposing they can influence them. Even Jack Straw has now recognised that the British presence has become 'part of the security problem in Iraq'.
1) Pull out and let the whole middle east kill itself in petty wars of religious intolerence.
2) Establish the new colony of Blisstonia ~;)
Pull out and let the Middle East gradually heat up until it explodes in a giant explosion of war. Once everyone is dead and gone, we move in and conquer the charred wasteland that is left. We can enforce democracy on the cockroaches.
Yes, pull out now. Ever since the insurgency began, I think the presence of Coalition troops has fuelled it rather than reduced it. The last year and half has done nothing to change that view. At least if the US and UK get out, the insurgents can't unite around a "let's shoot the invaders" banner. (It was interesting today that Al Zarqawi has declared his AQ Sunni/foreign fighters will not target Muqtada al-Sadr anti-US Shiite militias.)
Whatever conflicts remain, they seem essentially domestic and need to be solved internally. Letting the Iraqis take full responsibility for their own security may well be necessary for the horse-trading or, God forbid, further bloodletting needed for the country's divided people to reach a modus vivendi. If they keep relying on the crutch of Coalition military power, their leaders may not have the will to organise their own security, make deals with those insurgents that can be dealt with and crush those that cannot.
A common rejoinder to calls to pull the Coalition troops out fast has always been that since the Coalition "broke" Iraq, it should "fix" it. But I am afraid I am not seeing any evidence that the Coalition can fix it.
Well it's just getting worse as it is. At some point the Iraqis need to just get on and rule themselves.
To pull out unilaterally would be cowardly and dishonourable, obviously. Save your US-bashing for another time-- Britain made the commitment when she got into this thing, and if she didn't want to follow through she should have thought about it then.
Any REAL conversation on the topic should be-- "should COALITION forces pull out?".
And on that topic-- if our withdrawal removes the need for genocide on the Sunnis, perhaps it would be a good idea. Though if we did leave and there was genocide anyway, frankly I wouldn't care.
We most certainly flocked this thing up, out of our own stupidity, but that does not in any way excuse the terrorist elements or their campaign of slaughter-- nor should there be any mercy (in a perfect world) for the Sunni "civilians" who support them.
DA
Cowardly and dishounarble, i dont see were you gather that from, what else can our forces do there, the country is going into civil war now, and i definatley dont want my servicemen there if that breaks out.
Pull out, but not alone, the US and everyone else too. Leave whoever “we” want in charge with the weapons needed to stay in charge and get out. Our physical presence is just ticking everyone there off. We can easily play a behind the scenes influence from back home, wherever back home is. ~:)
I still like the idea of spreading freedom and all that but we need to quickly establish a government there and make them take over the reigns of physically running the place while “we” continue influencing a stable society. To completely cut our ties and leave would be wrong but it is time to get out, dub Iraq “free” and leave. If it doesn’t work out for them we can always go back in 10 years. ~;)
Yes, pull out now. The situation is a complete mess and why do our boys have to die in someone else's war? We didn't even get any damned construction contracts! Let hte Iraqis sort themseleves out, pumped to the brim with American cash and equipment. Why America, with one of the most powerful armies in the world, needs the small British army is beyond me.
Yes, we should pull out. But the US Army needs the little (and soon to be even littler) British Army because our troops are just so much better than theirs, we can do the job better, and without a nice war all our troops would be sitting about waiting for the Argentinians to invade again.
Ah, we can always invade France. Their nothing compared to Iraqis! ~;)
Yes, the French will drop their guns, a swift battle with the Foreign Legion (notice how the best soldiers in the French Army are not French), then the boys get a feast of good food, and wine.
No... Although the Americasn are good *If not the best* They do need help.
a topic not even about France ends up bashing French people... now thats facinating.
That's easy, the French were right all along about Iraq. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazul
lol to invade france and conquer it would only take us about 6 weeks if that, the Germans did in a short time so why cant we :D
Is there some sarcasm here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zharakov
Because you are fifteen and you should be in bed by now. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
At twenty past ten? The poor boy... All the fights will just be starting in the street, and you would have him miss it all?
Never i will conquer france tomorow, just you watch, ill stay up all night if i have to. ~D
Spoken like a king, and a King of England too. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
The us military could beat the UK's easily.....the only thing better about yours is the snipers.
lol
Now Now lets not have any of that talk we are allies, lets keep with the french bashing :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
I am serious the US could take over the UK easily. Your civilians have no guns so there will be no insurgency. And the US military is much better and much larger.
But thats why you are our allies.
(you bashed the US first I had to post that little bit)
LoL ceaser i was laughing at adrians remark, we must have posted at the same time.
OK sorry. Well I think france should go in! And train the Insurgents. the war will be over in weeks!
I think the UK should stay until the Iraqi military is strong enough.