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I just stumbled across this lovely website earlier today, and it got me thinking is there a large Anti-Europeanism movement going on, is it just a few highly edjucated people or is this site really valid hostorical un bias fact?
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/ancientafrica.html
What?! There's no anti-European movement... stupid European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
"Location: New Zealand"
Yes, I saw this. :jester:
I'm sorry I am talking about Europeans as a larger Ethnic group, not the people which GC loves to crap on about.
his is quite a good one, you should read it.
http://www.trinicenter.com/kwame/20010615c.htm
So there was early civilizations in Africa, nothing new about that. And just about everyone knows that western civilization is younger then eastern and african.
But western civilization advanced more quickly, and then 'we' sort of raped africa.
The site is very badly designed, I hardly knew where to click to get some information.
As for that other site, it says, "Europeans were by no means the pioneer of human civilization."
Has any serius man even claimed that? The Nile River, the Indus Valley and... that chineese river, along with Eufrat and Tigris are the locations of pioneer civilizations. And the southern american continent ofcourse.
I dont really see what theese sites are trying to prove that isnt allready a known fact. :san_undecided:
Yeah, and besides, civilization is not necessarily a good thing. The concept itself is mostly bad, but it has also led to a few good technological advances, and once we passed the ages of fear and confused dogmatic abuse of the rational abilities nature gave us for mostly isolated situations like hunting, we've reached a state where we're actually starting to use these abilities to think thoughts closer to a pure rationalism, which has given us huge understanding. I don't see why claiming to be the first or one of the first to implement civilization at all would be something to brag about. Civilization has mostly been a curse except in the few periods when education and enlightened, rational thought and prudence has been valued. It seems like mankind is valuing these things higher today than from the dawn of civilization and up to the first half of the 20th century, but the question is whether it is because of prudence, or because they in some situations see that prudence can give as much or more short term gain as/than greed.
Europeans spent most of their history as little more than a footnote somewhere way out in the poor, isolated western tip of Eurasia. Some made themselves rather noisome around the Mediterranean - think Romans and Greeks for one - but on the whole they were of little concern to anyone but each other and whoever happened to be living near them.
Then, eventually, they picked up enough stuff, came up with some more, and figured out enough nifty ways to put them together, that they suddenly aquired the ability to leave their cold shores behind and go see if there was profit to be made in the wider world. And oh boy, was there. It didn't hurt at all that by that point they'd spent half a millenia in endemic warfare and a constant upwards spiral of military evolution, and could thus to a large degree trample over many of the folks they encountered in the spirit of freebootery opportunism, or that their seafaring had reached the point where you simply couldn't get rid of them. Irate locals could - and did - lay waste to forts, trading posts and suchlike on occasion, but they could do very little to keep the next batch from sailing up and setting up a new one.
And, obviously, a whole lot of people met very shitty fates in the process. That tends to be what happens when someone gets imperial pretensions and enough muscle to start realizing them - just ask the Mongols, Romans, Chinese, Aztecs or whoever.
I respect the opinions and customs of the Eurpeans as much as they respect the opinions and customs of the United States. Draw your own conclusion...:san_grin:
I respect the united States...does that mean you love me GC?:san_kiss: :san_shocked:
Yes but he claims that Europeans were biulding little more than piles of rubble at the time of the Pyramids, what a load of crap. He also says that the Greeks were the first Europeans more complete rubbish. People in Britain were biulding astronomically precise henges thousands of years before the Pyramids.
Also how do we know where early man sprung forth from, I believe that they have found skeletons in Asia contamporary to ones found in Africa.
This site seems to go along the lines of conservative thinking, that every European culture other than the Romans was barbaric and crap.
Just a load of nonsense.
In another article they claim that the Egyptains created philisophy, astronomy and medicine, can that really be taken seriuosly?
I could love you...
Well I could love anyone really...
C'mmon republican Mrs.Cluause has a christmas present :san_kiss:
well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
Dont leave out the vikings... best sailors ever to their time. Its not like the only thing vikings did was to travel around raping and killing everything on sight. Neither did they live in pure dirt and poverty. And, I hope everyone knows... even tho Scandinavia is cold... its not cold all year and polarbears dont live here.
Just recently they found a suprisingly old house in the province of Halland where I live. Not sure of the actuall age... but it was OLD. :san_cheesy:
Africa was what the colony of southern Carthage. To say that anyone is a grouping is pointless. Egyptians are not part of any black race anyhow. They were more related to the greeks, who they traded with constantly enriching their culture in the process.
That's all I have to say. Those books are crap, and need to be treated the same way that white hate speach is treated. I don't want to hear about how the European or western culture is inferior or superior. The work that our ancestors have done speaks for itself.
Actually I was watching on the history Channel, the very first signs of civilization started in Northern Macedon and the Balkans, by civilization, I mean 'A Society of People Living together to meet their economic needs and had the institutions that allowed a freebase form of government, they also had a similar language, and more than likely integrated other tribes into their realm'. However through genetic anthropology, the best source for the very first civilizations start out in Anatolia, the veerrry ancient Ruins of Chatal' Huyuuk, and from those people, who eventually spread out across the middle east and north africa, The Egyptians, like Ur, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Gauls, Minoans, and Hittites were all Caucasian-Indo Aryan of one familiar genetic makeup separated by cultural differences.
The Human Race may have started in Africa, but civilization certainly didn't start there. It's more likely that the oldest civilizations started out in the middle east.
I'm contacting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on you guys...
What are those black arsehalls going to do about it? :san_laugh:
Face it guys, according to today's history revisions, whites are nothing more than warmongering idiots that have only the blacks to thank for inventing everything and building everything. So you honkeys better zip it or I'm calling Farrakhn. I got him on speed dial... word...
Dammit, this post makes no sense in this thread. Someone create a thread where i can use this great quip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave