Historical info on the Casse?

Hey EB'ers (If I can call you that :laugh4:)

You might have seen my thread in the Game Guides forum, know i'm new and a bit of a novice!

Anyway i'm really curious on the Casse, being really interested with history I sometimes find something then go on and on searching for info or being curious for hours on end :idea2:

But I couldn't find any info on the Casse. I know a bit about Briton and how it was but not a lot. I'm only interested in history a lot not a student or historian!

I live in Colchester which you history guys will know about so I don't need to go into how much history we have here :-P But living here is one of the reasons I really got into history, its such an interesting subject to look at!

But who were the Casse? I have never heard of them.. is it a different name for other people I may know of?

Could I have some background info on them please? :) Nothing too deep!:D

If there are any interesting resources online I wouldn't mind checking them out aswell :)

So come cure a Brit of his curiousity :)

Thanks guys!
David

I don't know much about them either, but as a start you might want to read about their history on the EB website here.

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Originally Posted by Batahr

I don't know much about them either, but as a start you might want to read about their history on the EB website here.

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Yeah I read that but it didn't really tell me much :) I'm a curious person... Oh curiousity killed the cat/casse :book:

You can check out this thread, there's some nice info in there.

I will direct Ranika here next time I talk with him.

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Originally Posted by the tokai

You can check out this thread, there's some nice info in there.

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Very interesting! I managed to find an article on Wikipedia which I figured must be the same people as a few names are the same but on Wiki its not Casse or Cassi, just 'Catuvellauni'

If this is the Casse. Is it right in saying where I live now was the capital of them? Thus meaning the capital on EB is meant to be Colchester?

I knew Colchester was the Roman Capital when they came along but wasn't sure about barbarians because I had never heard of the Casse.


So Boudica(Sp?) was somehow related to the Casse? or her people at least?
Its strange in school you're taught so much about the Romans and the different tribes of East Anglia and rest of England really, but never the Casse.. How does the Casse relate to them?

Apologises if I seem stupid! I'm no expert :)

David

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Originally Posted by David_VI

Very interesting! I managed to find an article on Wikipedia which I figured must be the same people as a few names are the same but on Wiki its not Casse or Cassi, just 'Catuvellauni'

If this is the Casse. Is it right in saying where I live now was the capital of them? Thus meaning the capital on EB is meant to be Colchester?

I knew Colchester was the Roman Capital when they came along but wasn't sure about barbarians because I had never heard of the Casse.


So Boudica(Sp?) was somehow related to the Casse? or her people at least?
Its strange in school you're taught so much about the Romans and the different tribes of East Anglia and rest of England really, but never the Casse.. How does the Casse relate to them?

Apologises if I seem stupid! I'm no expert :)

David

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BTW, if you're interested in locations of our cities, you can download the google map overlay. Some places are more accurate than others, but most are right on the money.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51919

Haven't updated it in a while, but it still matches up pretty closely with our map.

The basics are; the Casse were a Gallic, and then Belgic influenced tribe. We don't know them by name till a little later, and they're called the Casse/Cassae/Cassi. They're later refered to as the Catuvellauni, but that appears to be more due to the name of one of their old rulers (Vellaunus). The name is known actually from this figure, the ruler Vellaunus, who was called 'Cassivellaunus' (Vellaunus of the Cassi), mentioned by Caesar. The Casse either developed into the Catuvellauni or were displaced by more Belgic Celts in terms of rulership, but the area of influence remains the same, so any such displacement was political, and likely non-military; either way, the faction developed into the Catuvellauni; in fact, one possible meaning of 'Catu' is 'Smiters' (a euphemism for soldiers), so it'd be 'Soldiers of Vellaunus', so this figure would then have been heroic or important to the point of renaming the tribe after him. They're much easier to find information on, though it can be confusing; technically, they likely only ruled a small area with any direct control, but Caratacus had subject tribes in what's now Wales, so, their rule extended, likely by way of lop-sided alliances, and extended vassalage, over a substantially larger area. Also, the Icenes/Iceni/Cenimages were subjects of the Catuvellauni, so Boudicca would've been of some vague relation (she inherited from her husband though; she may have been married into the tribe from some more distant region; he may have been closer related though).

Also, Colchester is actually on the site of the old Trinovantes capitol; also subjects of the Catuvellauni, but when the Romans invaded the second time, their king (who'd been exiled for being pro-Roman) mustered them to fight for the Romans. The Roman center was then Camulodunum, which is Colchester. One of the older Casse forts appears in the same region though, but they moved the capitol a few times, so just picked the largest of the different ones they used in the region.

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Originally Posted by Ranika

The basics are; the Casse were a Gallic, and then Belgic influenced tribe. We don't know them by name till a little later, and they're called the Casse/Cassae/Cassi. They're later refered to as the Catuvellauni, but that appears to be more due to the name of one of their old rulers (Vellaunus). The name is known actually from this figure, the ruler Vellaunus, who was called 'Cassivellaunus' (Vellaunus of the Cassi), mentioned by Caesar. The Casse either developed into the Catuvellauni or were displaced by more Belgic Celts in terms of rulership, but the area of influence remains the same, so any such displacement was political, and likely non-military; either way, the faction developed into the Catuvellauni; in fact, one possible meaning of 'Catu' is 'Smiters' (a euphemism for soldiers), so it'd be 'Soldiers of Vellaunus', so this figure would then have been heroic or important to the point of renaming the tribe after him. They're much easier to find information on, though it can be confusing; technically, they likely only ruled a small area with any direct control, but Caratacus had subject tribes in what's now Wales, so, their rule extended, likely by way of lop-sided alliances, and extended vassalage, over a substantially larger area. Also, the Icenes/Iceni/Cenimages were subjects of the Catuvellauni, so Boudicca would've been of some vague relation (she inherited from her husband though; she may have been married into the tribe from some more distant region; he may have been closer related though).

Also, Colchester is actually on the site of the old Trinovantes capitol; also subjects of the Catuvellauni, but when the Romans invaded the second time, their king (who'd been exiled for being pro-Roman) mustered them to fight for the Romans. The Roman center was then Camulodunum, which is Colchester. One of the older Casse forts appears in the same region though, but they moved the capitol a few times, so just picked the largest of the different ones they used in the region.

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Wow, thanks for all that info. You guys must do a lot of research and be experts on it to start with. I'd love to learn so much :)

David