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Wow. Illegal people in my country want my rights! Do these people know they have no rights? WE HAD 30,000 RIGHT THERE AND nothing was done. My goverment needs to grown some damned balls. These people disgust me.
I wonder if the individual stating the below quote realizes the hypocrisy in their statement.
Hmm - I wonder how the illegal immigrant is getting a legal document with legal proof of citizenship. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
Hint: I alreadly know the answer to this question, I wonder if Christine knows the answer to it however. :no:
Yes, they bring in bad things, but don't we have plenty of our own? They do many jobs that you and I would never do, and all they ask are basic rights. You disgust me
So in essence you are going to allow MILLIONS of uneducated people whom undermine our culture and socitey who settle in little pockets which produce more poverty! I Mean gawd AOM you do live in my city right? You see it right or do not leave the nieghboorhood?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
If we kept employers from hiring illegal immigrants, I think they'd find some American to do the work.Quote:
They do many jobs that you and I would never do
I'm willing to give it the old college try.
Driving privileges? :inquisitive:Quote:
and all they ask are basic rights
I didn't realize rights were guaranteed to people who have done all they can to avoid registering, paying taxes, getting car insurance abd being held accountable like the rest of us.
They don't do jobs no one else wants, the do jobs that scumbag employers dont want to pay a decent wage for americans to do
If you are going to use the welfare system FFS the least you can do is pay taxes, go to jury duty, and vote like the rest of us. What makes me sick are folks who hide behind the human aspect of the story and refuse to see the cold, hard facts of undue burden illegal immigration is causing this country.
But guess what? If the feds won't do anything, the states will, and as state after state passes laws that WILL be upheld in the SCOTUS the illegals will slowly but surely migrate to states that refuse to act, overburdening them, until they, too have to act. What kind of laws you ask? Laws that require people to show proof of citizenship when they want to use the system, laws that require state workers to report people who are illegal, laws that levy HUGE fines to employers who use illegals including possible jail time, etc etc
All the hispanic civil rights groups in the world wont styop this, even if they are the largest non-white race in the states, because its not a white vs hispanics issue, its an american vs nonamerican issue and we have every other LEGAL race and ethnic group on our side.
Some of the greatest people I have met in my life were illegal immigrants, and I refuse to let this cloud the issue because we are all subject to the same rules
They have no rights. They are here illegally. Only citizens and legal visitors of this country may enjoy their rights.
Enron, United + "All Phase, Enron Broadband Services, FirstWorld, Global Crossing, MCI Metro, McLeodUSA, Metromedia Fiber, 360networks (USA), XO Communications, Williams Communications, WorldCom"Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Could all fill the bill of being poor corporate citizens and doing far worse to the economy then those at the lowest tier.
I say go for the people employing the illegals. Make it the same as drug trafficking... take all the corporate assests that use illegal immigrants... and possibly put the onus not just on the contractors but the companies hiring the contractors too.
I like this idea. Something drastic needs to be done, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
as a legal migrant that must keep jumping through hoops, that poo really gets on my chest. GoshDarnit!
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I'm so good, I'm even registered to be drafted if the situation arose that I were needed.
:knight: .
All good points. I think I rashly posted in response to SFTS, because I think we're a bit too hard on them.
Plus I'm way to lazy to argue my points...
Well the matter has to be tended to immediately, but we need to do it in an economic and friendly as possible matter. I want this law to be passed, you need to have VALID citizenship to be applicable for all jobs, in that way employers can't discriminate nor can illegal immigrants work without getting citizenship. Obviously, we're not going to kick the illegals out... but maybe the illegals need to go to a citizenship class in their spare their time, lets say 2 days a week for 2 years, to attend a four or five hour course, which would be mandatory by law if they pass they get citizenship, and one of the requirements should be, to be able to at least comprehend english, and our financial system. If they don't pass, they should be required to retake the class until completion, after say 3 times, and they fail to complete their course, they get their Green Cards Revoked, and their employement wherever they are, will be terminated. If an employer fails to terminate the employee, even if the work is all 'under the table' and a federal agent finds out, they may be subject to a fine of up to 10,000,000 USD, and/or 20 years in prison. If the illegal immigrant has not left the country prior to 60 days after complete failure, he/she will be subject to forced deportation, or up to 10 years imprisonment.
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
I won't argue that its a bad idea you got there. But it goes far deeper than the typical idea of sorporate use of illegals, and is far more prevalent in general labor positions such as construction laborer, landscaping and manufacturing.
Don't get me started on how "free international trade" has encouraged all this, but the biggest problem in punishing people who employs illegals is the fact that the biggest employer of illegals is small businesses and mom and pop businesses, the sacred goat of american commerce. Just about every speel about economics, business and minimum wage invokes the "waaaaaah! it will hurt small businesses! small businesses drive the country! waaaah!" so fat chance holding these folks accountable, because these folks are joe regular, my neighbor. Nonetheless, they deserve to have their asses fined off
I brought up the big guys who file for bankruptcy because they screw over far more people...
Well the contractors I was mainly referring to are in the building business, plasters, cable laying, roofies etc... and I can see Companies using sub-contracting to dodge any question about them hiring illegals... thats why I think the onus should be on the primary company that is responsible for the site... these laws should apply to everyone.
Its not that American's wont do them its that we wont do them for 1$ an hour. The large quantity of illegals is driving down the wages of the average worker, its horrible. Not to mention in areas were there are heavy numbers of illegals how is a kid supposed to get a first job. Lord knows it was hard enough for me and I lived near Dallas. We need to require that all who employ here only employ legal immigrants and citizens. It wont stop our economy, instead they will start highering for higher wages. Or the farmers will do what they should have done ages ago and invest in robotics. Labor shortages are important, they help spur wages and technological improvements, just look at what the black plague did for europe, helped usher in the renassiance. I also say no to the idea that they should be forced to take citizenship classes to stay here. No one should be forced to become a citizen. It should be done of their own free will, with a clear head as to what being a citizen of the great United States of America means. You should not lower the meaning of citizenship by forcing people to become one, it should be an honor, a hard earned gift, the right to vote, the right to hold any office besides the head of the Presidency. We need to get the illegals out of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Wait a second, you had 30,000 illegal immigrants all handily gathered in one place and you didn't deport them:dizzy2:
I don't see any arguments in there that says illegal immigrants should have the same rights as citizens.Quote:
Alexanderofmacedon
Yes, they bring in bad things, but don't we have plenty of our own? They do many jobs that you and I would never do, and all they ask are basic rights. You disgust me
I'd say Pape has the best idea, the same way that safety can't be delegated, neither should the responsibility for hiring illegals. I also think that citizenship classes are a good idea and that they should all be forced to learn the language of the host nation, there is nothing more ignorant than expecting a country to support you when you can't even be bothered to learn their language.
Wait a second, you had 30,000 illegal immigrants all handily gathered in one place and you didn't deport them
Well they were going to , but they thought that the approx 200,000 people on the protest in Chicago would be a bit too much to handle . especially as they were only expecting 10,000 to turn up .
Though of course not all of the people on the protest were illegals , for example there was a Tribesman who was one of the organisers of that Chicago protest , he is a very successful multi millionaire businessman , though of course he like so many others did originally enter as an illegal .
Anyhow that aside , I thought the protest was more about the bill being a badly thought out example of knee jerk politics to pander to populism .
um, really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I doubt it.
Edit: oh wait, I could solve so many of my problems by becoming an illegal.
Why didn't they round up a few hundred of the Irish illegals who protested on St.Pat's day? ( a slightly smaller crowd than a mass everybody-who's-illegal group)
I enjoyed hearing some of the leading Democrats who have claimed to be seriously against illegal immigration sucking up to the Irish ones *tips hat to Hilary*, it was grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat! as Tony the Tiger would say.
um, really?
I doubt it.
Sarcasm Taffy , do you miss it ~;)
But on a practical side , how exactly would they arrest , process and then deport those of the 30,000 who need to be deported , at a single event in a single city ? Then work out how they could do it in every town and city that held protests that day. Maybe they need to implement a draft to get the manpower , but then who would fill the jobs of the Draftees while they are busy .:laugh4:
enjoyed hearing some of the leading Democrats who have claimed to be seriously against illegal immigration sucking up to the Irish ones *tips hat to Hilary*, it was grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
Thats funny , since the US government is talking with the Irish government about how to let them stay , and last time I looked it was leading Republicans(of the American flavour) that were that government .
So are they sucking up to the illegals too ?
Everyone agrees that something has to be done , but is this bill the thing that is going to work ?
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
never know with you.
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enjoyed hearing some of the leading Democrats who have claimed to be seriously against illegal immigration sucking up to the Irish ones *tips hat to Hilary*, it was grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
I enjoyed hearing the Deomcrats, I didn't hear the Republicans though, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed that too, all twats.Quote:
Thats funny , since the US government is talking with the Irish government about how to let them stay , and last time I looked it was leading Republicans(of the American flavour) that were that government .
So are they sucking up to the illegals too ?
Everyone agrees that something has to be done , but is this bill the thing that is going to work ?
and if you were making fun of the draft thing (and again who knows with you), it is a legal requirement for foreign residents under 26 whether they are there legally or not.
30,000 turned up that day? I'm sure they could have taken a few away, or would that inherent predisposition to rioting have come to the fore?
Edit: I mean, people from large groups have been known to be arrested before without rioting but people seem to be saying that this can't be done because of numbers. Edit to Edit: like in that massive CA march, between 100,000 and 250, 000 people, a handful were arrested, London was not trashed by angry yokels and toffs.
about the rally, I'd missed John McCain, but it was sucking up all round:
"“It is so heartening to see you here,” said Clinton. “You are really here on behalf of what America means, America’s values, America’s hopes.”
“You are doing what democracy is supposed to be all about, petitioning the government to right a wrong,” said McCain."
Why not try "go home, get a visa, the U.S. govt. gives visas to Irish people like candy to kids at halloween. You'll be fine."
"Another item in the Irish Times, with the headline “Irish rally to press for legal status in America,” said: “More than 2,400 undocumented Irish immigrants and their supporters rallied in Washington yesterday in support of an immigration reform bill that would allow them to remain in the U.S. legally.” This report further noted that “Senators Kennedy, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer addressed the demonstrators, who wore white T-shirts with the slogan ‘Legalize the Irish.’”"
2400, you could round those up, it's just the pesky legal ones and Irish Americans that you'd have to go through to get the ones you want.
Edit: here's Hilary from 2003:
"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. Clearly we have to make some tough decisions as a country, and one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry-and-exit system so that if we are going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let's have a system that keeps track of them... People have to stop employing illegal immigrants."
Edit: also, 50 000 is total estimate of Irish illegals, in case anybody is interested.
Edit: about sarcasm, maybe a little.
We need to declare war on mexico. The mexican government is actively supporting its citizens to invade the United States. The republicans want the cheap labor and the dems want the votes. Its sickening. We have been invaded and nothing is being done about it. :furious3:
We need to declare war on mexico.
Wait for the election Dave , then you can invade because you don't like their new left wing government .:idea2:
Perhaps this is just a joke, but refering to the recent thread "Who to invade next, the american people decide" or something like that, it's pretty out of place and only demostrates how much of imperialist some americans have, I seriously hope you're not representative of the majority in USA, it would be shameful and scary. Hey!! But look at the bright side you all have a new excuse to invade: When someone exports manpower into your country.:idea: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
This whole thing lowers my opinion of McCain considerably.
Their government is the mexican government, not the American government.
Blimey , we have been invaded and I didn't notice .
Oh well , not to worry , Fox or Ahern , both gobshites .
Or is it that the Mexicans were so uneducated they didn't realise that they were wearing the wrong T-shirts......“Senators Kennedy, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer addressed the demonstrators, who wore white T-shirts with the slogan ‘Legalize the Irish.’”"
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I believe he was joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
musssssssst resisssssssst dominating topiiiiiiiiiiiiiic..........
*breathes*
Oh dear GOD... an illegal immigration thread.....!
*breathes*
Not sure of I have an hour to kill doing this.....
*quickly leaves before head explodes*
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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
You could always tape your head with 100 mile tape - that should trap the explosion within the tape preventing the world from being exposed to your brain cells when they atomize during the implosion process that will result from the confining of the explosion within the barrier imposed by the 100 mile tape around your head.
That or you will have an extremely loud and stinking passage of wind through your back side.
Edit: So go for it, you have absolutely nothing to lose, but time itself.
Right now the state congress is looking to repeal a bogus tuition bill that was slipped onto another bill as an amendment. The bill gives people in the country ILLEGALLY in-state tuition at all oklahoma universities and lets them obtain state financial aid as well.
LOL an illegal immigrant could get in-state tuition costs and FA from the state, yet someone from nevada, or texas, or any other state in the USA would have to pay out of state tuition prices and would not be eligible for state financial aid until they lived here for a year. How pathetic
The "civil rights" groups are up in arms about its repeal, and the same guy leading the charge to repeal it is also on the forefront of the move to require recipients of welfare and other state services to PROVE they are citizens. I love it
As a Legal immigrant to the US, I would support all this trash being rounded up and put in camps. That such horrible people could get the same priviledges that I do without paying taxes is a slap in the face to all of us who have had to go through the immigration process. Id rather pay a legal minority to do my gardening than a mexican. removal of inappropriate comment by Ser Clegane