marrying

I havent found anything to read how this actually works, but i think i understand some of it.

If your line marrys a foreign princess and your line is eliminated (line eliminated means when your princes become regular people?), the foreign princess kingdom will gain some of your land. but if the other way round you marry your princess to a foreign nation you gain their land when there line eliminates?

How does that work properly? is it better off just marrying your princesses off and ignoring marriage request to you?

Well if another faction offers one of it's princesses to you, it means that if the other faction might die of , you'll get their land.

This also counts vice versa, although it's not like your going to care if the dratted Poles get a claim to your land once your heirless King dies, I mean the game end when your faction is destroyed !

So a handy tactic is to always accept foreign princess offers, then you can try and eliminate the other faction by using your assassins to kill of your allies royal line - and all the time they're thinking you're actually best of friends !

PS:line eliminated means that all your heirs to the throne have died off, thus rendering the game over - since you can't go on with hte game without a King.

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So how many wives can u actually have? does it depend on your faction eg a muslim faction u could have up to four wives. Or is it five?

Muslim factions have no princesses of their own, only Catholics and Orthodox do. However, you still can marry of your daughters to the, but only one per King/prince. The "one cross each" rule applies to all factions :laugh4:

does giving your daughter to one of yor generals make him a prince? (your prince, incase you have no male heirs and kings nearly dead this could be a good option?)

As far as I know, no.
The only impact ist that the general will become more loyal to you. This can save your hide from a nasty civil war at times. And should you actually have one, this general is more likely to side with the royalists than the rebels.
Only HRE can have its Emperor elected from among the generals, and then those married with princesses seem to be favoured somehow. For all normal factions, the only general eligible to take over the line is that with a royal blood (i.e one of the members of the family's side branch). While he is a normal general (not a King or Prince), you can marry your princess to him without fear of an incest. Should your line die, he can then take over the country as a powerful, say 6-star, ruler, already married. Sometimes this can make a hillbilly country into a great empire...
Medieval politics is quite funny at times, y'know...

My tactics to preserve royal line is very simple. I just keep them out of any fighting, securing them in one province. Every heir appear in the same place. Additionaly, some heirs have low loyalty, so they can make civil war. Keeping them close to their ruler, i prevent that thing. So, royal line is pervectly save, cos they avoiding death on the battlefield, and securing one province against enemy agents is very easy.
If heir have unfavourable vices, i may send him as regular battle unit.

Few succesions change royal line, and princes become normal unit commanders. It is good thing, cos they have few stars, so after title tunning they become competent commanders.

i always send my princes off commanding my armys, even if it means 2-3 of them leading an army if i have many princes. then when they become king they get to lounge around the capital.

just what i like doing and now later on in the game (100+ years), my kings always have high influence and everyone is very high loyalty. i dont think i have a prince under 8 loyalty and under 3 command stars. and most generals are 7+ loyalty

Marrying your princesses to other factions does also increase your chances of them allying with you (also accepting marriage proposals), which is useful if all your better generals are already 'toeing the line'.:laugh4:

That´s why I like the HRE, they can´t be wiped out by killing the Royal family, only by being conquered completely. And besides, "Emperor" has an unique ring to it...

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

That´s why I like the HRE, they can´t be wiped out by killing the Royal family, only by being conquered completely. And besides, "Emperor" has an unique ring to it...

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but you cant exactly decide your new leader, but the one chosen is usually the best anyway right? which reminds me, how do the german re-emerge, an heir cant do it since their emperors are always elected?

It might be an heir to the last elected Emperor, right? Or maybe a self-proclaimed new Emperor?
It's just a matter of how you call it. The fact is, they reappear and try to regain independence. Nothing unusual.

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Originally Posted by Loucipher

The only impact ist that the general will become more loyal to you. This can save your hide from a nasty civil war at times. And should you actually have one, this general is more likely to side with the royalists than the rebels.
Only HRE can have its Emperor elected from among the generals, and then those married with princesses seem to be favoured somehow. For all normal factions, the only general eligible to take over the line is that with a royal blood (i.e one of the members of the family's side branch). While he is a normal general (not a King or Prince), you can marry your princess to him without fear of an incest. Should your line die, he can then take over the country as a powerful, say 6-star, ruler, already married.

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Watch out: if a general is of the royal blood he will get an incest vice as well if he marries a princess. If he isn't, he will become of the royal blood once married. While this does make him more loyal, it also makes him more likely to become the focus (the leader) of rebellion. Rebellion are often led by general of the royal blood.

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Originally Posted by lar

but you cant exactly decide your new leader, but the one chosen is usually the best anyway right? which reminds me, how do the german re-emerge, an heir cant do it since their emperors are always elected?

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Both for the Papacy and the HRE the man with the most command stars becomes faction leader. However, this only applies if there is no mature heir (which is not really relevant for the Papacy, as the Pope does not marry). Holy Roman Emperors do get sons, who will inherit before any general and can start uprisings if their father died before they came of age.

Why does the one cross each apply to Muslims when Muslim Societies of the time and Islam allows 4 wives?

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Originally Posted by Ludens

Watch out: if a general is of the royal blood he will get an incest vice as well if he marries a princess. If he isn't, he will become of the royal blood once married. While this does make him more loyal, it also makes him more likely to become the focus (the leader) of rebellion. Rebellion are often led by general of the royal blood.

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Is it confirmed? I've never seen it myself in my games...

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Originally Posted by Ludens

Watch out: if a general is of the royal blood he will get an incest vice as well if he marries a princess. If he isn't, he will become of the royal blood once married. While this does make him more loyal, it also makes him more likely to become the focus (the leader) of rebellion. Rebellion are often led by general of the royal blood.


Both for the Papacy and the HRE the man with the most command stars becomes faction leader. However, this only applies if there is no mature heir (which is not really relevant for the Papacy, as the Pope does not marry). Holy Roman Emperors do get sons, who will inherit before any general and can start uprisings if their father died before they came of age.

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Hmm, i played HRE couple of times, and i always had at least one civil war at the early stage of the game. And i noticed, that rebel commander in civil war not neccesary must be from royal line. I have theory, that rebelious commander must be at least governor, so he must have Lord title, to start civil war. Then, other generals with loyalty below 5(also in loyal armies stacks) also joins at his side. I had this situation twice, when my royalty was on one side, and local land lord on the other. But in fact, rest ocasions were civil wars caused by my distant heirs, or non heirs but with royal blood. Maybe this situation may happend only in HRE, cos any general may be Emperor..

Also, i NEVER had civil war caused by married, and two title land lord(land title and kingdom title). His loyalty is so high, that he never be my enemy. So, best thing to do with non heir man of royal blood is marry him and grant him enough titles to boost his loyalty to maximum, or send him to suicide attack on big stack of enemy troops.

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Originally Posted by Loucipher

Is it confirmed? I've never seen it myself in my games...

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I read it somewhere on the forum, so I never tried. Perhaps I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

Also, i NEVER had civil war caused by married, and two title land lord(land title and kingdom title). His loyalty is so high, that he never be my enemy. So, best thing to do with non heir man of royal blood is marry him and grant him enough titles to boost his loyalty to maximum, or send him to suicide attack on big stack of enemy troops.

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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough. Marriage reduces the chance of rebelling significantly, but royal generals are the preferred leaders of a civil war.

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Originally Posted by Ludens

(which is not really relevant for the Papacy, as the Pope does not marry)

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in my game the pope is married. its only his first re-emergance

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Originally Posted by Horatius

Why does the one cross each apply to Muslims when Muslim Societies of the time and Islam allows 4 wives?

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You didn´t get the quote, I see.
In MTW, everyone can marry once, just once. No exclusions.

Another thing about marrying, does you line gain benefits from the stats (eg acumen, piety, dread, command) of the other faction, if your King is married to their princess?

Nope, at least from my experiences.

Even when you taken bride from bizantine court, lets say, daughter of the bizantine emperor who is also jedi general, your heirs do not gain any stats or vices.

I think, that only stats or vices of your king/emperor have significant influence on future heirs.

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Another thing about marrying, does you line gain benefits from the stats (eg acumen, piety, dread, command) of the other faction, if your King is married to their princess?

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No. Genetic inheritance only comes from the male side (in M:TW at least).

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No. Genetic inheritance only comes from the male side (in M:TW at least).

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And only with the current king (who can be the brother of the hier) and only when the hier comes to age (stats changes everytime the king's own stats change, v&v is more random).