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Well, looks like things are getting interesting. I say the kids that burned the flag should not be disciplined but commended. A foreign flag should NEVER be flown in the United States at a public school over the US flag or instead of the Stars and Stripes. What's you opinion?
I'm always puzzled by flag burning. As anybody who made it through boy scouts should know, burning is the correct way to dispose of an old flag. So it always seems like people are saying, "I am so angry at this country, I will now respectfully dispose of it in the proper manner! So there!"
Maybe if they want to indicate disrespect they should put the flag through a big shredder. Or cover it with cheese. Or stuff it in their underwear for a week. Tie the flag around a burro and send it into the wilderness. Something.
Does this ever bother anybody else, or am I being way too picky?
I agree somewhat. Man, that's a good idea about the cheese. They could have rolled it up like a barrito with cheese.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I like how the article describes students walking out on classes as "a new political awareness". Sorry, when students walk out on classes, it's always about walking out of classes. The political issue du'jour is always just the excuse. Can anyone say 'extra senior-skip-day that underclassmen are invited along'?
...i would have done the same thing, this is america, it belongs to americans, if they wish to see a mexican flag raised then they must consider themselves mexican before american, and if they love being mexican so much go back to your little dirt hole of a country:furious3:. honestly i would have no problem seeing there flag but never, ever held in higher esteem than the old glory, not on this soil, not on our land.
I am currently endeavouring to have my school's Rector fly the Union Flag on those days that Her Brittanic Majesty requests and requires that the said flag must be flown from all public buildings. And that other flags be flown on their respective days such as Her Majesty requires i.e. the Red Ensign on Merchant Navy Day (3/9)...
a flag is a flag, i cant really see the significance of flag waving, display and burning (although it probably saves on the electrics bill)
Aumen. I don't get flagfetish tbh. It's just a piece of cloth with a few colours on it.. then again I don't understand American "patriotism" in the slightest, and they both seem pretty much intertwined.
At first I thought this was a bit :dizzy2: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke Malcolm
But this gets :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: . If no one told you what your flag represents and you don't understand patristism; I'm sorry friend, there's no hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justiciar
The kid who raised the flag should be arrested.
The kids who burned it should be given Presidential Citizens Medals.
This is America. Not Mexico. And the kids who beseiged our school under a flag of a foreign power should be treated as what they are; traitors.
Anyone who cares is a douche.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
Hope for what?
And no, I didn't walk out today, even though, as the Don pointed out, many students agree that walkout protest is an excellent rise in political awareness--another excuse out of the damn classes. :idea2:
In other news, I love flag-burning. It's just so fun, and offensive, which is why it's fun.
We always have The Three Legs flying at our school, three of them in factQuote:
Originally Posted by Duke Malcolm
:isleofman: Quocunque Jeceris Stabit :isleofman:
Whithersoever you throw it, it will stand
As for this burning thing, I'm in two minds, For one thing they shouldnt have been burning the flag of a country where there is a large population of immigrants from said country, thats just stupidity
But yeah, they really shouldve been flying the stars and bars:2thumbsup:
The Hispanics were also responding to what I presume were racial insults (read the article). I think both should be punished equally.
It's not like you're supposed to have a lighter at school either...:inquisitive:
A foreign flag should NEVER be flown in the United States at a public school over the US flag or instead of the Stars and Stripes. What's you opinion?
Your article has a 16 year old saying that he heard that the flag was higher , is there any comfirmation on that actually happening ?
Capo , you talk of treason and such . There was this fire truck in a Columbus day parade , it had a pair of those flags that you fix on vehicles on its roof , stars and stripes flavour of course , and on the side that I was on it had a huge stars and stripes covering a good part of the side (I guess it had a matching one the other side ) , on a big staff flying above them all was the Italian flag , isn't that treasonous ?
Flags , patriotism , what a load of crap:no:
Flag burning patriotism , small minded feckwits , you see extremist idiots doing it all the time :shrug:
I wish people didn't burn flags: USA's or anyone elses. That being said, people will do it no matter what you do. Ask them not to nicely, but there's not much else to do...
What does my flag represent? If I did know, would I like what it represents? Do I feel that my nation can be summed up by a piece of cloth? I can only answer the last one. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
As to patriotism.. I don't get it because it's a foreign concept to me. Yeah, I understand the meaning of the word, and I understand that it afflicts other people, but I've never been a flag-waving "God bless you ma'am", type of person. Patriotism in the US gets me even more confused because of how strict it seems to be.
I can understand taking the Mexican flag down, but burning it is rather over the top, and is hardly going to calm the tensions that seem to exist in the school.
I seem to recall seeing it mentioned somewhere national flags ultimately developed from battlefield standards and banners, a means of telling "us" from "them".
With such esteemed lineage, I don't hold them in terribly high regard.
And jingoist American nationalism, particularly when it has anti-Mexican undertones, is certainly a most unbecoming thing in grown people. Not that other national variants were particularly more palatable.
But then again, I consider all the smear-throwing and wrangling over this-and-that Congressman's or President's or P. Candidate's military awards Americans seem to delight in a symptom of unhealthy fixation with and glorification of military symbolism, and by extension a lot of things I prefer not to go into because they make me feel icky. After all, they wouldn't bother if it wasn't considered important. I'd guess the flag issue really goes under the same category.
Ahh - that happy America without racism and discrimination....:laugh4:
Accordingto the next post
I'm pround from my flag
White - Reds is best flag ever.
Easy to make, makes feat everywhere!!!
Flags in general are unpatriotic in my opinion. They are just designs made by a person a long time ago, and usually randomly at that. There is nothing there to be proud of.
This made me titter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
All the same, it is concerning that the students felt such an overtly provocative response was a good idea. I couldn't good two hoots about the actual flag issue.
Are you against the Confederate flag or the Lone Star being flown?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Yeah. I mean. Americans should go there and assimilate them all. Mexico has some oil, surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
As of being a "little piece of Mexico"... a third of the US population speaks spanish. A flag or the absence of one doesn't change anything. A third of the country is a little bit more than a little piece.
Well, noone can force them to learn english more than force them to learn corean, so that is up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
How is it possible that a country formed with emigrants from the whole world is so closed to other emigrants?
Fine, a school is government property and all, I see your point.
Is it fine to fly a mexican flag above your house?
public schools still fly confederate flags - and yet i see no outrage over that. i imagine if someone took one of those down and burned it there'd be many irateusers here wanting the burner jailed. this sort of thread is rife with potential double standards.
Is it just the Mexican flag you feel this way about, or does that include others too?Quote:
Flying one over your house is just as disrespectful, in my opinion
If I moved to the US, for example, but flew the Union flag over my property, would you consider that disrespectful?
How on earth can you deserve a race riot?Quote:
they deserve whatever happens to them. Be it a race riot or a flag burning.
This thread stinks of pungent jingoism and barely concealed racism, IMO. Which doesn't surprise me one bit given the topic, and duly does nothing to improve my abysmally low opinion of nationalism and the associated paraphenelia which people insist on taking altogether too seriously.
I'm really starting to see where that Sleuthing the Alamo book got its part about the developement of anti-Mexican sentiments from...
Question - since you're not big on nationalism, can I have your country plz????
Nah. I happen to like living in it.