Callete! Este es nuestro pais y nuestro himno nacional ahora!!!

For the non-Spanish speakers among you, it would appear that latino immigrants, no longer simply content to speak in Spanish, have made a new national anthem, in Spanish, 'based closely' on the Star Spangled Banner. Apparently, some English language lines will be inserted in a version due out in June, scolding people who support immigration controls.

So, to those of you who say 'they're not trying to take over'... let me ask you... when a forgeign invader starts altering your national symbols, and altering the are they still really 'just trying to get along?'

It's OUR National Anthem now!!!

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The initial version of "Nuestro Himno," or "Our Anthem," comes out Friday and uses lyrics based closely on the English-language original, said Kidron, who heads the record label Urban Box Office.

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If they were translating the Star Spangled Banner into Spanish directly, I wouldn't have anywhere near the problem with this. But who gave them the right to alter it? We're supposed to just lay down and let Mexico dictate not only our immigration policies, but now also our national anthem is dictated to us by Mexcicans!

I find it so funny when americans speaks of immigration in the tone that you do, like 'someone' is trying to take over your land/symbols/etc. A quick reminder of your countrys history makes any criticism of immigration redundant, I should say.

Tell you what, Sjakihata... instead of sounding like a smug hypocrite, let's suggest something... Take a million Turks into Sweden, have them dictate the right to bring as many additional Turks into Sweden as they care to, and have them change your national anthem to Turkish, then we'll talk. Until then, you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Edit: No offense to Left Eye Nine or any other Turkish members of the board. I was trying to pick a nationality that in fact DOES frequently immigrate to Scandanavia.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Tell you what, Sjakihata... instead of sounding like a smug hypocrite, let's suggest something... Take a million Turks into Sweden, have them dictate the right to bring as many additional Turks into Sweden as they care to, and have them change your national anthem to Turkish, then we'll talk. Until then, you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Edit: No offense to Left Eye Nine or any other Turkish members of the board. I was trying to pick a nationality that in fact DOES frequently immigrate to Scandanavia.

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Sjakihata is Danish, IIRC...~;)

What he says sounds right, but when the Europeans migrated to America the "Indians" also tried to defend their country. Now we have the Mexicans migrate to the US and the natives try to defend their country, let´s see who wins this time...:juggle2:

And then if a Turk rapes some Dane it should take nothing but a quick reminder of your country's Viking history for you to be silenced and have everything put back in to perspective.

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British music producer Adam Kidron says that when he came up with the idea of a Spanish-language version of the U.S. national anthem, he saw it as an ode to the millions of immigrants seeking a better life

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Its not the immigrants you need to worry about DC, its us snaggle toothed tea drinkers.

it would appear that latino immigrants, no longer simply content to speak in Spanish, have made a new national anthem, in Spanish, 'based closely' on the Star Spangled Banner.

Don did you read the article you posted as your above statement doesn't fit the article at all ......British music producer Adam Kidron says that when he came up with the idea of a Spanish-language version of the U.S. national anthem, he saw it as an ode to the millions of immigrants seeking a better life. .....
So, to those of you who say 'they're not trying to take over'... let me ask you... when a forgeign invader starts altering your national symbols, and altering the are they still really 'just trying to get along?'

Oh I see so a legal English immigrant is now suddenly hispanic and is trying to take over your country by rewritting an adaptation of a British tune ....After all, he notes, American immigrants borrowed the melody of the "Star Spangled Banner" from an English drinking song.
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Are you getting your knickers in a twist over nothing ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

This is hilarious. Why do we ever discuss any friction between nations? After all, if you just use history, everything just evens itself out and whoever's getting screwed prolly deserves it when you look back at the last few hundred years, right?

Fair enough, my apologies to Swedes everywhere for the slur. Just kidding Sjakihata. But my point is still valid... I find it incredibly disingenous for a Dane, who comes from the European country with quite possibly the strictest immigration controls of all, to tell Americans that they're wrong for not wanting to completely abandon any sort of immigration controls.

Talk about double standards... We in Denmark are free to lock down as tight as we like, but you Americans must allow anyone that wants to come.... and then pay for their schooling, pay for their hospitals, pay their bills for them when they get unemployed, pay their kids welfare.........yeah, sure seems fair to me.

The producer who arranged it is some Limey after a fast buck. But the singers are all Latinos. They have altered the words to express their political message, and they intend to play it as their anthem during the 'Day without Immigrants' on Monday. Laugh all you want Tribesman, I've been to Ireland, and you're not exactly blazing a path to enlightened immigration there, either.

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Pro-immigration protests are planned around the country for Monday, and the record label is urging Hispanic radio stations nationwide to play the cut at 7 p.m. EDT Friday in a sign of solidarity.

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...publicity...stunt...

Hmmmmm....Are you getting your knickers in a twist over nothing ?
It seems that it certainly is a big nothing Don , or could you explain.....to tell Americans that they're wrong for not wanting to completely abandon any sort of immigration controls.

...where are there any proposals at all that have been put forward to completely abandon any sort of immigration controls ?
Are they in your imagination , like the hispanisc brit who is trying to take over your country ?

What do you think these protests are all about Tribesman? They're not talking about enacting new laws to limit the numbers of immigrants coming into the country. They're talking about enforcing the current limits on the books. THAT'S what the Latinos in this country, and the Mexican government, for that matter, is protesting. If the US government was talking about cutting back the number of workers visas, they might have a point, but they're marching in the streets, because the government is 'talking' (not even doing yet) about possibly enforcing the laws in existence. And do you have any other tone then 'know-it-all'?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Tell you what, Sjakihata... instead of sounding like a smug hypocrite, let's suggest something... Take a million Turks into Sweden, have them dictate the right to bring as many additional Turks into Sweden as they care to, and have them change your national anthem to Turkish, then we'll talk. Until then, you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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Yes, let's do that. That would probably annoy our neighbours very much, and no Denmark is not the capital of Sweden :laugh4:

What I mean is simply that the history of america has been forged by immigration, what gives you the right to stop it?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Talk about double standards... We in Denmark are free to lock down as tight as we like, but you Americans must allow anyone that wants to come.... and then pay for their schooling, pay for their hospitals, pay their bills for them when they get unemployed, pay their kids welfare.........yeah, sure seems fair to me.

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Oh, don't make the common mistake to associate the current danish government to the danish people, and inparticular me. I, for the record (since I have to defend myself), have been to 1000+ rallies, demos, conferences and God (probably dont) knows what, I am completely against the current danish line, after all, im an internationalist (building bridges from coast to coast, you know).

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And then if a Turk rapes some Dane it should take nothing but a quick reminder of your country's Viking history for you to be silenced and have everything put back in to perspective.

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Im clueless to your intentions? What is your point? That vikings generally were raping more than the average army/militia at that given age? If so I think it is you who need a reminder of viking history.

Anyway, Im not critizing your history, Im actually quite proud of most of it. Im just highlighting history and that america would not have been what it currently is (for better or worse) and that the multiethnic society has brought prosperity to america, isnt curry wonderful?

US national anthem's murky background illuminated:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_011.html

seems the lyrics and music have been 're-mixed' for quite some time.

Talking about the American national anthem. Now I havent heard the spanish version nor have I bothered to read any of the links, but if an american can rape the anthem, like they did at the Superbowl, why cant a spaniard, mexican or a brit?

That's not what I got out of your article Kukri:

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In those times, folks often recycled good older melodies to use with new lyrics (for example, Maryland's state song uses the melody from "O Tannenbaum"), so no one minded that Scott Key used "To Anacreon in Heaven." Of course recycling melodies still happens today. Consider "The Barney Song," which uses the melody for "This Old Man." OK, so maybe you're not watching Barney so much anymore. How about Weird Al Yankovic's treasure chest of songs including "Smells like Nirvana" or "It's all about the Pentiums"? But even Weird Al knows, to recycle melodies today requires the use of finely-honed musical skills and the services of an excellent lawyer.

Key's lyrics circulated as a handbill, then were published in a Baltimore newspaper on Sept. 20, 1814. The song was designated the U.S. national anthem by executive order of President Woodrow Wilson in 1916. Following a 20-year effort during which more than 40 bills were introduced to Congress, the order was finally confirmed by Congress in 1931.

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In other words, the melody for the Star Spangled Banner was borrowed from another, a fairly common practice in the 18th & 19th century. The lyrics, however, are as Key wrote them. Hmm....

And before anyone brings up "My Country T'is of Thee" versus "God Save the Queen", you have to remember, we were at war with Britain when it was written... which only proves my point. Co-opting our national anthem and changing the lyrics to suit their agenda proves that Latino immigrants are not interested in becoming American.

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Originally Posted by Sjakihata

Talking about the American national anthem. Now I havent heard the spanish version nor have I bothered to read any of the links, but if an american can rape the anthem, like they did at the Superbowl, why cant a spaniard, mexican or a brit?

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What on Earth would have you believe that ANY of us were pleased, hell even tolerant, of what happened to the national anthem at the Superbowl? That was political correctness run amok, and just because the NFL (a non-governmental organization) screwed up the national anthem, doesn't mean it's open season for any and all to desecrate it.

This is a free country. Mr. Kidron and his friends have every right to alter the national anthem to say whatever they want it to say. As far as I know, there is no law against altering the lyrics. Free speech dictates that they have the right to sing it with whatever lyrics they want, Spanish or English. And exercising my own right to free speech, I state that the desire to use the national anthem to further their agenda of taking over only proves they DO NOT have peaceful intentions or a desire to integrate.

I wasn't trying to take a side in this discussion, just to more fully inform it. Sorry if it seemed otherwise.

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...Co-opting our national anthem and changing the lyrics to suit their agenda proves that Latino immigrants are not interested in becoming American.

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is Don Corleone's central assertion here, I think. I submit, that such action happens frequently. I remember the furor over J.Hendix' no-lyrics rendition at Woodstock. Folks accused him of virtual blasphemy and desecration of a national symbol.

Has anyone found the full set of lyrics for this particular re-mix?

Question: is the national anthem protected by any sort of law, like copyright, decreeing that no one is allowed to alter it? If so, there is a technical problem, if not - what is the problem?

What do you think these protests are all about Tribesman?
Well lets see , there was the new legislation that was passed ,then the new legislation that was not passed , the there were the amendments that were passed , and the amendments that were not passed , then there was the proposals for new legislation that is going forward and the proposals for legislation that were blocked . Then there is the costing and effectivness of it all ,then there are the implications of it all .

What do you think they are about ?:juggle2:
They're talking about enforcing the current limits on the books.
errr.....nope they are talking about many things Don , it is quite a complex subject , but one thing you will find that they are not talking about , no matter how much your state of outrage would like to pretend that they are talking about is ....to tell Americans that they're wrong for not wanting to completely abandon any sort of immigration controls.


Laugh all you want Tribesman, I've been to Ireland, and you're not exactly blazing a path to enlightened immigration there, either.
Now that is really funny Don , it wasn't very long ago in yet another immigration topic that you told me that Ireland didn't have an immigrant problem .:2thumbsup:
And guess what , the government bought in some really serious anti-illegal immigrant legislation , changed the constitution and changed the laws on citizenship . 'cos hey they are really serious about this . And the end result is complete bollox , scaring the population to get uneccesary measures passed, when all the had to do was enforce the existing laws:idea2:

And do you have any other tone then 'know-it-all'?
Well Don , its like this , when you post something that actually deals withthe facts on the topic rather than a rant about British hispanics taking over the country by producing a protest song , or people making America abandon all immigration controls , them maybe , just maybe I won't write that I know you are talking rubbish ~;)

I'm all for them making a mockery of our anthem. I'm also happy they were holding up mexican flags and chanting "Mexico". This just shows the true nature of this problem and the real agenda of these parasites. They don't want "citizenship" or to assimulate. They want to make the United States, or atleast part of it, Mexico. Time to seal the borders, declare war on Mexico and act accordingly to this invasion force, and let them sing all they want their perversed version of our anthem. Shame on Mexico and the "undocumented workers". Come here legally and you're more than welcome, jump the border and no matter what some limp wristed liberal wants to label you with some PC nonsense, you're still a criminal.

A brilliant offer to a solution, DevDave - if just politicians saw things as clearly and objectively as you do, no problems in the world would exist - there would be no world.

Y, antes de me llamas un racisisto, debo decirte que hablo espanol bastante bien. Muchos veces, espanol es una lingua mejor a expresarse un concepto dificil porque espanol tiene menor significas doblas. Pero, donde se parre la pregunta de lingua? Porque no todos requiramos nuestros habitantes a hablar arabico, chino, frances y aleman en adicion a espanol? Porque no tenemos que permitir todos las personas de todo el mundo a venir a los Estados Unidos? A que razon pudemos parrar las personas de Africa de veniendo aqui? Al mismo razon que pudemos parrar todos de los immigrantes illegal de Mexico a veniendo aqui, nuestro soberano. Los personas de los Estados Unidos hacen las leyes de los estados unidos, no Mexico, no Irlandes y no Dinamarca. Este no es una pregunta de lingua or cultura, es una pregunta de soberano, y derechos. Si no pudemos decir quien puede venir aqui, y quien no puede, no podemos decir nada sobre nuestra existancia.

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And, before you call me a racist, I should tell you that I speak Spanish pretty well. Many times, Spanish is a better language for expressing difficult concepts, because Spanish has fewer double meanings. But, Where does the question of languages end? Why don't we require our inhabitants to learn Arabic, Chinese, French and German in addition to Spanish? Why don't we have to allow everyone from the entire world to come to the US, right now, if they want to? By what right can we stop people in Africa from coming to the US? By the same right that allows us to stop illegal immigrants from Mexico from coming here.... our sovereignty. The people of the United States make the laws of the United States: not Mexico, not Ireland and not Denmark. This isn't a question of language, or culture, it is a question of sovereignty and rights. If we cannot say who can come here, and who cannot, we cannot say anything about our own existence.

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we cannot say anything about our own existence.

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This is probably the wisest thing that have been said in this thread so far.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

For the non-Spanish speakers among you, it would appear that latino immigrants, no longer simply content to speak in Spanish, have made a new national anthem, in Spanish, 'based closely' on the Star Spangled Banner. Apparently, some English language lines will be inserted in a version due out in June, scolding people who support immigration controls.

So, to those of you who say 'they're not trying to take over'... let me ask you... when a forgeign invader starts altering your national symbols, and altering the are they still really 'just trying to get along?'

It's OUR National Anthem now!!!

If they were translating the Star Spangled Banner into Spanish directly, I wouldn't have anywhere near the problem with this. But who gave them the right to alter it? We're supposed to just lay down and let Mexico dictate not only our immigration policies, but now also our national anthem is dictated to us by Mexcicans!

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First of all a spanish version of our national anthem is not the anthem anymore. It is simply a spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner, with loads of political messages in it. Congress ordered in the 1830's the official national anthem, and it was in english. This is a complete mockery of our heritage, not only are the changing the Star Spangled Banner, but their throwing in their own message in it, its disgusting. The english composer should be ashamed, and don't tell me there wouldn't be an uproar if "god save the queen" was changed to french.

We are a country of immigrants, but it is not the immigrant that has made the USA. It is the meshing of all these immigrants, and their cultures to forge a new country a new idea a new culture the USA. These mostly illegal immigrants from mexico do not want to mesh, they want us to change for them, that is un-American.

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What do you think these protests are all about Tribesman?
Well lets see , there was the new legislation that was passed ,then the new legislation that was not passed , the there were the amendments that were passed , and the amendments that were not passed , then there was the proposals for new legislation that is going forward and the proposals for legislation that were blocked . Then there is the costing and effectivness of it all ,then there are the implications of it all .

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Hmm, could you be any less specific? Talk about smoke and mirrors... The current proposals that the immigrants themselves are protesting are: 1) making illegal immigrants criminal 2) actually attaching some penalties to the act of crosssing the border without paperwork. If you've something more concrete to add from your wealth of experiences marching through the streets of LA, by all means, we'd love to hear it chief.

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They're talking about enforcing the current limits on the books. errr.....nope they are talking about many things Don , it is quite a complex subject , but one thing you will find that they are not talking about , no matter how much your state of outrage would like to pretend that they are talking about is ....to tell Americans that they're wrong for not wanting to completely abandon any sort of immigration controls.

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Yes, they are. Read the signs they're carrying. They want an open border. Any immigration control is intolerable in the minds of the protesters. Where are you getting your information from?

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Laugh all you want Tribesman, I've been to Ireland, and you're not exactly blazing a path to enlightened immigration there, either.
Now that is really funny Don , it wasn't very long ago in yet another immigration topic that you told me that Ireland didn't have an immigrant problem .:2thumbsup:
And guess what , the government bought in some really serious anti-illegal immigrant legislation , changed the constitution and changed the laws on citizenship . 'cos hey they are really serious about this . And the end result is complete bollox , scaring the population to get uneccesary measures passed, when all the had to do was enforce the existing laws:idea2:

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My point is, and was, you don't have anywhere near the immigration to your country that we do. You don't know the first thing about it. Yes, as a token to your EU moneymen, you've started some guest-worker visas for eastern Europeans, and funny thing about that... you're not the enlightened souls you claim to be. When we went out to dinner, the Irish folks were pretty nasty to the poor Czech girl who waited on us in Killarney. She said she was miserable and if it wasn't for the money, she'd go home immediately, because Irish people treat what few immigrants they have abominably. Hello pot:phonecall:, this is kettle, you're black

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And do you have any other tone then 'know-it-all'?
Well Don , its like this , when you post something that actually deals withthe facts on the topic rather than a rant about British hispanics taking over the country by producing a protest song , or people making America abandon all immigration controls , them maybe , just maybe I won't write that I know you are talking rubbish ~;)

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Oh, this wasn't just about this thread... I don't think I've ever seen you be anything but smug, condescending and dismissive. I'm wondering out loud if anybody, anywhere ever has.

Its easy, just nuke Mexico. I mean, surely it is the mexican's government fault too. They must be chasing away the workers from the country to get to work themselves! Man! That is an EVIL plan!

And if you do not enforce your own laws, why write them?