Pirate bay

Internet war in Sweden.

Few days ago the police stormed the house(s) where the server belonging to Pirate Bay were stationed. Pirate Bay is the biggest bitorrent site, atleast so I think.
They took all the servers and this they did even tho any idiot can understand that the servers themself dont have any illegal material on them.
*http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...834580,00.html

Then it seems like the police did this, first after the "The Motion Picture Association of America" put some pressure on a swedish minister named Thomas Bodström.
Bodström (Social Democrat) is now getting alot of critcism from the Center party.
*http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...834874,00.html

Latest thing is that a group or maybe a single person is attacking the police website and making it crash, and its still not online.
*http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...835013,00.html

.... lets face it, filesharing is here to stay. Becouse it seems those arrested in connection to The Pirate Bay will go free.
*http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...835536,00.html

(links in swedish, sorry)

I use Pirate Bay a fair bit, not the best bittorent site but a damn good one, it is a crying shame this has happened.

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Originally Posted by Lazul

.... lets face it, filesharing is here to stay.

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Filesharing is nice, but piracy isn´t.
If there is nothing criminal on their servers they should get them back and everything is ok, but apparently some hacker is mad he won´t get his stolen software as nicely as before and thus has to attack the police.
I really pity him for having such a hard time to steal other peoples' work...:juggle2:

Here are a couple of English links...

http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/20060....se317.dbp.asp

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/interne....ap/index.html

It is quite a shame that the site has been closed down. Only last week i used it to get the Half Life 2 Beta. Oh well.

It'll probably be back up and running within a week.

A bit of warning, I've found out that the policy regarding piracy is fairly strict (related to CA?:idea2:). Advocacy of piracy, or declaring one will pirate, will get you a referral.

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

A bit of warning, I've found out that the policy regarding piracy is fairly strict (related to CA?:idea2:). Advocacy of piracy, or declaring one will pirate, will get you a referral.

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O rly? Ya rly? No wai!

Don't worry, i'd never pirate from a company i like. Only companies that i don't like, who have ruined good game series...

*cough* Vivendi Universal!*cough*The tribes games!*cough*

I am coughing a lot, aren't i?

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Originally Posted by Husar

If there is nothing criminal on their servers they should get them back and everything is ok, but apparently some hacker is mad he won´t get his stolen software as nicely as before and thus has to attack the police.

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The Pirate Bay (TPB) only keeps trackers. They know nothing about the content of files being shared; they direct the swarm, more or less, they host no files beside trackers. Although copyrights are probably violated more easily because of TPB they are not the ones violating anything. According to their law. Anyway, I'm not an expert but it seems to be more of a show than anything. The thing that is the worst about the whole deal is that they also took the server for the piracy party that is unaffiliated w/ TPB. I'm not quite sure how they were able to get a warrant for that.

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Originally Posted by currywurry

O rly? Ya rly? No wai!

Don't worry, i'd never pirate from a company i like. Only companies that i don't like, who have ruined good game series...

*cough* Vivendi Universal!*cough*The tribes games!*cough*

I am coughing a lot, aren't i?

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Well, if you care about referrals, I would delete the mentions of personal piracy. It does not matter that you would get the game if it were good, it is still advocating the activity.

This reminds me of recent police actions here in Germany

Any more advocating of piracy will lead to the closure of the thread amd to repercussions for the respective posters.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Filesharing is nice, but piracy isn´t.
If there is nothing criminal on their servers they should get them back and everything is ok, but apparently some hacker is mad he won´t get his stolen software as nicely as before and thus has to attack the police.
I really pity him for having such a hard time to steal other peoples' work...:juggle2:

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MTE.

usenet for teh win.

i gotta wonder if there are still people out there continuing to use kazaa....

You can also check the news on http://slyck.com (all in English, and they have additional links, etc), for some more details on the TPB thing.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

MTE.

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What does 'MTE' stand for? My Thoughts Exactly?

On topic: All I can say is that the war will continue between the pirates and the makers of the stuff that they are stealing. Which is great, provided that neither side does things that are too outrageous. What does bother me alot though is people who dl stuff illegally but don't consider it thieft. I HATE that.

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Originally Posted by Lazul

Pirate Bay is the biggest bitorrent site, atleast so I think.

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According to the guys themself, no.
They are a search engine like google according to the creators.
Unfortunately TPB wasn't the only thing on the servers, a few legitmated companies had their stuff on the servers as well so the anti-piracy bureu has once again pissed off a lot of people and some who has nothing to do with piracy.

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Originally Posted by discovery1

What does 'MTE' stand for? My Thoughts Exactly?

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yes

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Originally Posted by discovery1

On topic: All I can say is that the war will continue between the pirates and the makers of the stuff that they are stealing. Which is great, provided that neither side does things that are too outrageous. What does bother me alot though is people who dl stuff illegally but don't consider it thieft. I HATE that.

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Unfortunately I know a lot of people like this...

'Internet piracy' is not theft. It is a breaching the other person's right to copy the thing for some period of time. The great works of the renaissance are not copyright protected anymore, and can you imagine just how awful a place we would live in if the discoverer of some great thing kept the right to reproduce that thing, or enact the idea, forever? Stealing is when someone goes in and takes the original or the copies w/o permission.

If copying some idea is theft, then, by the fact that we all browse the internet, we are all thieves. (By even viewing a webpage you are copying content, let alone if you have a cache or ocassionaly save things.)

One thing that I cannot stand is stretching the definitions of words in order to suit one's own purpose.

I heard somewhere that a new Political Party is...or has been formed in Sweden called the 'Pirate Party' which is a major advocate for file-sharing and internet laws there...if a Swede could confirm this, it would be appreciated.

It's back online. Check out slyck.com for updates.

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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

I heard somewhere that a new Political Party is...or has been formed in Sweden called the 'Pirate Party' which is a major advocate for file-sharing and internet laws there...if a Swede could confirm this, it would be appreciated.

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It's true. AFAIK it haven't got much more policies outside that though, but I haven't much information on the party.

The whole idea and purpose of networking computers was and is to share files and to communicate.
It's amusing to me that some people think they can prevent or regulate that. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

I heard somewhere that a new Political Party is...or has been formed in Sweden called the 'Pirate Party' which is a major advocate for file-sharing and internet laws there...if a Swede could confirm this, it would be appreciated.

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Yes true and they just gained more support through this action.
And as Ironside said, they are a one issue party that wanna get rid of copyright laws.

All you guys should look up intellectual property. There's no question about what the law is here, and it's got nothing to do with the great works of the renaissance.

Unfortunately the attitude amongst hundreds of people is that it isn't really stealing. How it isn't really stealing is a mystery to me.

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All you guys should look up intellectual property. There's no question about what the law is here, and it's got nothing to do with the great works of the renaissance.

Unfortunately the attitude amongst hundreds of people is that it isn't really stealing. How it isn't really stealing is a mystery to me.

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Well, it's not stealing technicly (that requires you deprive the rightful owner acces to a certain good), but it's certainly very similar, and morally equivalent.

"It's not theft!"
"I'm only downloading from bad corporations who deserve it!"
"Information on the internet should be free!"

'Thiefs' who not only freeride on legitimate consumers who make game production possible, but also condescend these same people from their high horses. Sad :no:

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

'Internet piracy' is not theft. It is a breaching the other person's right to copy the thing for some period of time. The great works of the renaissance are not copyright protected anymore, and can you imagine just how awful a place we would live in if the discoverer of some great thing kept the right to reproduce that thing, or enact the idea, forever? Stealing is when someone goes in and takes the original or the copies w/o permission.

If copying some idea is theft, then, by the fact that we all browse the internet, we are all thieves. (By even viewing a webpage you are copying content, let alone if you have a cache or ocassionaly save things.)

One thing that I cannot stand is stretching the definitions of words in order to suit one's own purpose.

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It's more like stealing a book or a cd or dvd from a store than anything else. If you're defending the right to rip-off's and copy cats than I'd agree, we'd have no music or games otherwise :laugh4:

But seriously, people have to work to make those things, what should they be paid with when everybody just takes what they've made without paying ?

And let´s not pretend that all games are just made to be shared and copied over the internet, some of them were never be meant to be on the internet.
The argument about webpages is completely silly, because by putting them online, the owner gives you the right to download them, if they are not password protected.

The thing is that many people work for a long time to make some software/music and they need money to feed their families in this time. If you now copy their stuff without paying them, you steal it, because you use their work without paying them.
The fact that a computer allows to copy it with minimum effort doesn´t change a thing, it just makes stealing easier.:furious3:

Legally, it can pass off as stealing (although a better term would be willingly damaging someone), since stealing includes two factors, one: the lost amount of money (obviosuly not this one since the damaged party didn't actually lose anything) and the second one: lost profit (this one applies) ...

As to the matter at hand, I don't really bother enough to care ... I buy the games I like in the local shop.

Its NOT stealing, its copying. Taking things from a store, yes, thats stealing, but when you copy youdont Take Away something from someone ells. Yes, maybe future income, but only maybe.

The question is, if this form of copying should be illegal or not.

Yes, that is a legitimate question...

given that it's illegal now (and for good reasons I might add), you should not copy.

On which basis should copying be allowed - except for the unwillingness of the individual to pay for a good?

I kind of support the creation of backup copies for personal use (but even against that you could make a valid argument) - but I think we all know that this only explains atiny fraction of copying.

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Originally Posted by Lazul

Its NOT stealing, its copying.
The question is, if this form of copying should be illegal or not.

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I am calling it stealing for simplicity ... in truth it is not, but I am unable to find a better term ... willing (or unwilling) infringement on other's rights, thereby causing damage to his property and/or income would probably be a better term, but a mouthful.

As far as the question of legalisation ... in my personal opinion, private copies should be legalised, but then, how does one differentiate? I could make two copies, and call both private copies in case I lost the original, which I just did (and no, I didn't keep the receit, I'm sorry). In dubio pro reo, I go free.

No matter how well one words a law, people will find a way around it. As it is, it is conveniently overlooked. As a matter of fact, most piracy does not come from people who are dedicated to it (as in, making money from it), but from the individual, who do it in small amounts and do not advertise the fact, aside from a few close friends.