See Tom be Jan.... transgendered children with parent approval...

I could not believe I read this without barfing all over my screen.
http://villagevoice.com/news/0623,reischel,73391,6.html
Sounds like the mom and dad have allowed the liberal deviants of the transgendered mentally ill movement sink their claws into their child. Sickening... What's your opinion...:wall:

HE IS 5 YEARS OLD! At 5 I wanted to be a power ranger. Oh well the parents will reap there sick and twisted child in about 13 years. At 5 you know nothing. Disgusting

Well, as long as they don't cut anything off, and they leave the choice to 'come back' open and completely up to the kid, I'm not against it actually.

I'm not saying parents should encourage this, but the behaviour of the kid makes it pretty clear that he doesn't want to be a boy. I don't see why you should try and force it, with any luck, hormones will do their work eventually.

I can't wait for the "pervertsare normal" crowd to chime in. I love the part when the mom said that at 2 her kid told her that, "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina". What 2 year old uses words like "penis" and "vagina". This sounds very bizarre and quite frankly, sounds like this kid is being "guided" into this sick lifestyle.
Love the "role model" Mark Angelo Cummings. Nothing like a crack headed pervert teaching your kids the benefits of altering nature to satisfy your perversions. :no:
This is a sick, sick world.:wall:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I love the part when the mom said that at 2 her kid told her that, "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina". What 2 year old uses words like "penis" and "vagina". This sounds very bizarre and quite frankly, sounds like this kid is being "guided" into this sick lifestyle.

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It's probably not what the kid said word for word, he might have said something about not wanting a wee-wee or being like his sisters *down there* or something...

I don't think any parent wants this to happen, no matter what you think of us liberals, Dave. It must be horrible for the kid.

Doc, you read the whole article right? There is no way this kid isn't being coached into this "choice". If i was the Dad i would have stepped in long ago and not allowed this BS. Daddy needs to grow some balls before his son cuts his own off.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Well, as long as they don't cut anything off, and they leave the choice to 'come back' open and completely up to the kid, I'm not against it actually.

I'm not saying parents should encourage this, but the behaviour of the kid makes it pretty clear that he doesn't want to be a boy. I don't see why you should try and force it, with any luck, hormones will do their work eventually.

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My thoughts exactly.

I am unfailingly amused by how some people are so offended (to the point of being physically ill) by something as silly and harmless as a 5 year old boy who wants to wear girls' clothes.

On the other hand, if the kid was running around with toy guns pretending to kill people, it would probably draw nothing more than an indulgent smile and a pat on the head...

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Doc, you read the whole article right? There is no way this kid isn't being coached into this "choice".

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Why not ? The kid said he was a girl, the parents accept this as a phase, the *phase* lasts for 3+ years and now the kid has to go to school. What's the big deal ?

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If i was the Dad i would have stepped in long ago and not allowed this BS.

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Right, and your kid might have found a pair of scissors one day, not the best approach usually.

Look Dave there are only two options here:

1. The kid is a boy, in mind and body, and will eventually start behaving like one.
2. the kid is a girl with the body of a boy, in which case surpressing this will only lead to trauma

So they're doing the best they can. I'm sure they're hoping this will pass, but you can't force your kid to be something it is not. You can't turn an atheist into a believer by telling him he has to. You can't turn a homosexual into a heterosexual because he has too, sure, he might get married, but will he be happy. So honestly dave, which would you rather have ; kids that acted normal, or kids that were happy ?

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Daddy needs to grow some balls before his son cuts his own off.

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Right, because nature always gets it right :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

It's probably not what the kid said word for word, he might have said something about not wanting a wee-wee or being like his sisters *down there* or something...

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Lauren was sitting at her computer working when two-year-old Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy, came to her with a request: "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina," he said.

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Looks like a direct quote to me. Reading the article, it does sound like the mother, if not outright encouraging the behavior, has done nothing to deter it.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Looks like a direct quote to me.

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Have you ever been interviewed ?

Never thrust what seems to be direct quote, unless (perhaps) the interviewee has checked the article before print.

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Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy

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Maybe I should've bolded that in my above quote.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

. So honestly dave, which would you rather have ; kids that acted normal, or kids that were happy ?

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Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs. "Normal" kids are happy kids, no need to turn them into little transvestites or bath house members at age 5. When you allow your kids to "be happy" (translation: allowing the homosexual/transgender propagandists to indoctrinate your children into their perversed agenda) then they run much more risks of living a very unhappy life regardless of what leftist propaganda teachings have brainwashed you into believing. Nope, little boys should be little boys and little girls should be little girls. When they become adults then they can choose to be, well, "different". :no:

"Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy"

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Maybe I should've bolded that in my above quote.

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Bingo!!! This is what happens when you let the kids be adults and make adult decisions. Silly liberal parenting has led to this child's mental disorder.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs.

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And of course, those symptoms all magically occur in homosexuals simply because they are gay. They have nothing to do with the scorn, hate, and disenfranchisement that the rest of us heap on homosexuals just because of who they are.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

And of course, those symptoms all magically occur in homosexuals simply because they are gay. They have nothing to do with the scorn, hate, and disenfranchisement that the rest of us heap on homosexuals just because of who they are.

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LOL, yup, its everyone elses' fault again and not the person that CHOSE their lifestyle. I should become a liberal so i can blame all my misgivings on everyone else. Must be easy to be the victim all the time. Hey LT, there comes a time when folks have to take responsibility for their actions, I hope you teach your troops that.

Ha!!! I just realised something, just over a year ago, I would have had to salute you if I had ran into you out in real life. Isn't that funny!!! Thank God for little miracles.:laugh4:

Look, I can juggle too. :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Bingo!!! This is what happens when you let the kids be adults and make adult decisions. Silly liberal parenting has led to this child's mental disorder.

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1. They didn't makie the kid make adult decisions, at most, the kid knows what a woman and what a man looks like. Wow. I saw my mother and father naked as a kid, we didn't exactly lock the door when we where in the bathroom. I'm not gay, nor am I a transvestite...

2. They didn't make him wear dresses or play with dolls. the article states that they tried to raise him as a boy, he just always wanted to wear dresses and play with dolls, how is this the fault of liberal parenting ?

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Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs.

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I hope you'll realise in a few years that experimenting with drugs is normal (more then 50% of the kids do it), so is teenage sex (most Americans start between 14-16 iirc), homosexuality isn't that abnormal (10-20% of the population, not exactly a small minority), alcohol abuse with teenagers is pretty common too.

So in fact, if you have a kid that doesn't drink, has never done drugs, doesn't get laid in highschool AND isn't gay, you have a very abnormal kid.

Hurray for normality !!!!

Personally I don't like to focus on society's rather hypocritical norms, if someone is happy with himself, he'll be less likely a victim to peer pressure, will be less prone to addictions or escapism, will be far less likely to kill himself and probably has a healthier view on sex. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Looks like a direct quote to me. Reading the article, it does sound like the mother, if not outright encouraging the behavior, has done nothing to deter it.

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Why should she deter it? The only harm will come from prudes.

The article hardly gives enough information to reasonably comment on what's led up to the child being the way it is, as far as upbringing goes, and anyone who thinks they can reasonably comment with that little bit of information is delusional. So far, the parents have done nothing to warrant legal action. Even if the parents were pressuring him to dress like a girl, which does not seem to be the case -- and he most certainly is a he, as long as he is xy -- I fail to see how that is significantly different than pressuring your child into being the stereotype of their gender. What you wear does not make your sexuality, and any person who rejects the norm as the authority for their decisions is far more free than the cookie-cutter man or woman. I'd even say that a man who doesn't care if someone thinks he is gay is far more manly than one who must be reassured by his 'peers'.

I'm not aware of current laws in the area, but I would be in favor of an age restriction on the transgender operations, and I think that they already have to see psychologists before they can even try to find someone to do the operation.

I saw a story about this man on TV, and I felt the story was relevant. He lost his genitalia in an electronic circumcision accident at 8 months and was reassigned and raised, unsuccessfully, as a girl. Here is Wikipedia's article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

This kid is going to get screwed up. He does not understand what he is doing, and his twisted parents are only too willing to go along because of deluded liberalistic thought (note that they never once said he shouldn't dress or act like a girl).

I don't really care that he wants to wear girlie clothes. What I am concerned is people actually supporting such lunacy -this is a five year old child, not an adult- and pretending he is a girl:

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But a growing coalition of therapists, scientists, and activists disagree and refer to such children—even those as young as three years old—as transgendered, insisting that the child's new identification shouldn't be discouraged.

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These people really disgust me. They want to force their agenda on children, without regard for the child, as a result of radical leftist thought about sexuality.

Crazed Rabbit

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This kid is going to get screwed up. He does not understand what he is doing, and his twisted parents are only too willing to go along because of deluded liberalistic thought (note that they never once said he shouldn't dress or act like a girl).

I don't really care that he wants to wear girlie clothes. What I am concerned is people actually supporting such lunacy -this is a five year old child, not an adult- and pretending he is a girl:

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When you were five did you want to wear male clothes?

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These people really disgust me. They want to force their agenda on children, without regard for the child, as a result of radical leftist thought about sexuality.

Crazed Rabbit

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What agenda? Enough with the crazy conspiracy talk already.

Shouldn't such a decision be made as an adult after you have gone through puberty. Puberty has a lot of impact on ones thought processes and gender identity.

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And of course, those symptoms all magically occur in homosexuals simply because they are gay. They have nothing to do with the scorn, hate, and disenfranchisement that the rest of us heap on homosexuals just because of who they are.

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LOL, yup, its everyone elses' fault again and not the person that CHOSE their lifestyle. I should become a liberal so i can blame all my misgivings on everyone else. Must be easy to be the victim all the time.

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Thats an awful lot of venom for so early in the conversation Dave. Don't blow your whole wad of stock homophobic talking points and conservative cookie cutter arguments all at once; you'll have nothing left for page two.

I am very big on personal choice and responsibility. That's why I acknowledge that I need to take responsibility for the fact that my choices to abuse others because I disagree with how they live their lives may have an impact on their ability to live their lives as they have a right to do. For that reason, I choose not to scorn and alienate people because they do things in their bedrooms that I find distasteful.

It's funny.

All the symptoms you describe above (suicide, STDs, drug use, etc.) are also symptoms that people (gay or straight) exhibit when they have been emotionally or physically abused from a young age.

So do you think you can acknowledge that maybe there is a chance that people don't turn to drugs, or booze, or suffer from depression because they are gay, but because being gay meant that they got beat up at school, had parents who were ashamed of them and withdrew their love, were the subject of ridicule at work, and victims of all the other things that we do to homosexuals?

Let me ask you this:

Out of these two hypothetical people, who do you think is more likely to end up on drugs, depressed, with an STD and suicidal:

1) Heterosexual with two alcoholic parents who is abused from a young age who never has any friends because he never really developed any social skills

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2) Homosexual with two supportive parents who grows up in an accepting family and has lots of friends who don't treat him like a freak because he is gay.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Shouldn't such a decision be made as an adult after you have gone through puberty. Puberty has a lot of impact on ones thought processes and gender identity.

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You have to make a decision as a child one way or another, nudity is not allowed.

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What agenda? Enough with the crazy conspiracy talk already.

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It's right in the bloomin' article, for crying outloud. The part I quoted.

Crazed Rabbit

OH MY GOODNESS! ~:eek: Someone decided to turn their dick inside out when they were just a kid! Let's all build talking points around them and judge them!

Kinda makes you think, who is the bigger freak... the guy with the wierd self-inflicted wound, or the nuts who shout and point.

So someone did something really wierd and freaky with their body. Who... fucking... cares? It doesn't affect any of you. Besides, it's their body. If they want to pull their liver out and staple it to their forehead, it's their right and their decsion; they are the ones who will have to live with the consequences.

dave asked for this thread to be re-opened. in a singular act of generosity, it's open and available again.

BUT

things are headed downhill with the nomenclature and slang, so watch out lest warnings be meted out. and for each warning a user gets, Dave gets one, too. just so you know...

Alright, the threads been reopened on the condition that everyone will play nice. Everybody play nice or I'll post pics of me in a cat suit sucking a cucumber. Now, let the debate continue!!! Thanks Soly, how long do you think before I'm Entrance Hall bound again?

Whoops, spoke too soon...

Zorba, I'm not attacking the kid. (Note, he is a child, not an adult, there's a reason we don't let them make decisions for themselves).

An adult doing this kind of...lifestyle...is one thing. This is a child who's gone a bit far, due to no resistance from parents who don't want to 'force a 'gender identity' on him'.

Crazed Rabbit

Zorba, the kid hasn't had surgery as of now. Are you ok, you seem a little high strung. Relax....:2thumbsup: