Just a quick poll question re: forts

I'm just curious, I don't use them often, but I'm wondering do EB fans or members use them much. Would be interested in knowing the results, so why not put a poll up. :2thumbsup:

Nope

Lots :yes:

You're not thinking of removing them are you? :help:

I'm just asking. I don't use them much and am curious about whether others do.

Is there something cool you could do if they weren't in? Or are you just asking to distract people from that forum game thread?

I like to use them in passes, or in open, vulnerable areas away from a major settlement, I think of them as military settlements (too bad I can't get taxes from them, but oh well).

I use them occasionally if I'm in hostile territory with a small infantry army, or to defend a position, and sometimes if I'm in a role-playing mood I'll put any active field armies in a fort during the Winter turn, but other then that not much.

I still think they should be there though, forts and watchtowers are a good addition to the strategic game even if they aren't perhaps fully fleshed-out as a game mechanic.

Antagonist

Was lt's revision of the roman forts in the .074 build? He worked on them a good deal - but I don't know if the ones in 074 (roman ones) look like vanilla or were the adaptations he made.

Forts don't have much value to me. They tend to be more like deathtraps than useful defenses: You can be besieged while in a fort and sallying out could be much more difficult than actually facing the enemy on the field, especially so since you'd be the attacker instead of the defender. And since a fort will only keep your troops fed for 4 turns there's a good chance that the enemy will just wait it out. If they could be upgraded to have better walls, forts might become a bit more useful. As it stands, I only use them for the purpose of slowing down approaching armies (manning them with cheap, expendable units) to buy time for myself to make preparations.

I play pontus a lot, and I use them in mountain passes - with a small garrison, they enable me to delay the never ending selucid hordes in order to bring my main army up.

I expand to naturally defendable borders, then line it with forts. I tend to man them with a army that can deal with rebels or the smaller invasions, if by combining the forces of other outposts. Usually a calvary unit, 4 infantry, and some missile troops. Maybe a fifth infantry unit to hold the fort while the rest go to attack.

I rarely ever use them... the only time off hand that I can recall constructing one in a recent game was playing as the romans when a rebel army with 6 Gaesatae (sp?) appeared close to Bononia (I think thats what its called) and I had no army in Northern Italy. I built three forts to block the passes into the peninsula but the rebels ended up marching away as it was.

All the frickin' time, especially as Rome. I build them everywhere in enemy territory, I use them to block passes, as a delaying method, I even use them in friendly territory as a place to store a legion that I am building (I say legion because this is generally useful only as Rome; but it may be occasionally useful for such faction as the Seleukids when building a very large army.) I also find them to be rather useful if I am besieged in one with a notable army; it works well with my main tactics, which are essentially to force the enemy to attack first, and then to hold, divide, and conquer. I always "sally" as soon as I am besieged, and pour my soldiers out of the sides and, mainly, the rear; this often forces the enemy either into a defensive position, or to divide up his forces. Either way, victory tends to come more easily than in a field battle. Of course, if I am moving and I see an enemy army, I won't build a fort and wait for him to come to me- that would be cheating. I will go after any army I see that I think I can defeat.

i use them once or twice for when i am at war with some province and then i block off a route to my main cities forcing them to either attack the fort which i could afford to lose or go another route where i've got a few stacks waiting for them :2thumbsup: and Lt's forts did make me start using them more as the romans in SPQR

I love them

That's a perfect distribution so far actually. :grin:

Probably one of the most even distributions ever on any poll on the EB forum...

But I'm still curious as to why you asked. Do tell!

what were Lt's forts?
clearly Im missing out on something

Not that much really I tend to win field battles and usually have an advantage in numbers if not I will pull back so as not to risk my shiny Kataphraktoi

I use one to keep in my rebel killing army, which usually consists of Samnite spearmen and swordsmen and leves.

I also use one to build a legion in. I recruit the units from all over Italy and one by one send them to the fort which i see in my fantasy RTW world and a camp where they will train and learn discipline before they are sent out into the field to bring lots of bad news to the enemy, or get surrounded by gestae and never see their homeland again.

Also obviously if my field army gets raped in battle but still wins but with very few men left, i'll put them in a fort if i can't bring them back to the peninsula or send reinforcements straight away. If you're going to fight to the death, easier to do it in a small fort where the enemy can be choked up at the gates that in the field surrounded getting cut down in seconds.

I use them in chokepoints, mainly to slow down an enemy advance until I can prepare my response army. They also serve well when retreating from a raid into enemy territory, preventing pursuit.

Otherwise, I use cities in strategic locations and store armies there, with watchtowers and the occasional fort on the borders.

I mostly use them as the Gauls or the Romans.

i use a lot of forts on strategical positions to block enemy/rebel movement.
they are perfect at the alps to cover the italian peninsula.

it´s interesting that there are different forts on the battlemap.
in italy there are the classic vanilla one´s with the rectangular tents. in illyricum for example there are round tents in it.

(spoken only for roman forts.)

I use a fair few, usually:
- Place them on the tiles that brigands usually spawn on and they'll mostly stop appearing.
- I have a fort for every army near the capital. When the army is not in need, they retire to the fort to represent the army being temporarily disbanded before being levied again when required.
- On the frontier, my armies are not permitted to garrison cities unless the city is in danger of being besieged. When not required, they sit in a fort.
- Forts are sometimes used to coax the AI into moving in a particular manner and attacking a specific spot. Particularly useful in organising ambushes.

Why do I do these? Because I can...

I use them much more often in EB then I have in vanilla. I normally build them when I'm building up an army in the outskirts of the city I want to besiege. If they come to siege it, I normally just bring the units that were to join in the fort to fight them.

I use them near my depot settlements since these usually fill up and I find it weird to have units just kinda standing around the place.

I also like to put my police detachments in them when they are not rolling around the countryside chasing aphistamenoi.

If I am advancing into enemy lands as part of a major campaign I will also use forts to "stage up" my garrisons, so my main armies can keep on the offensive - although this sometimes does not work as the towns are too large to garrison easily and I am loathe to exterminate people and give my generals nightmares!

Hm, it seems like I use them a lot, but mostly I try to keep the ones I build rather than adding lots more of them.

I use them to block passes, say, can they block trade on roads? I'll have to check into that.

I think that any enemy army sitting on a trade road will block traffic, so you don't need forts for that.

I find that they're particulary useful for blocking acces to landbridges, but that's just one of the ways I use them.

I like to use forts in war time and well sometimes just for defencive reasons.

It would be cool to have celtic brochs as forts.

I put them at strategic river crossings near enemy territory every now and again but that's about it. Once I had a half stack army surrounded by two full stack rebel armies of superior quality troops in Wales. I built a fort and made them attack me there instead of in the open field. I still lost, but I killed way more of them than I would have out in the open.

I use them if I get caught in the field during the winter. Like in the mountains where trying to get to some far off rebel city takes forever and my general gets sick and then out of nowhere 4 full stacks of rebels.

The I go into a fort and hide while my general decides he doesn't want to be sick and on his deathbed anymore.

Edit: I also used them to block passes to prevent pesky horse arhcer armies from invading me and terrorizing my lands.

I maintain a few forts, mostly along my border with the Getai. It is the only way I can assure a peaceful order between civilization and the barbarians!