To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

Well yes germans start off unified and gaul starts off unified and so does iberia but what about in EB where we have armenians building a massive empire and taking over sarmatia and germans with massive empire over a period of time even when their lands are really poor. At least in the latest version of RTR (PE 1.7 not official but close to) EVERY AI expands realisticly or very close to. Unlike in EB where small barbarian tribes start massing stacks after stacks and there is no way to stop it even if you take their sources of income. My point is EB is a hell of a lot less realistic 50 years down the track. Let alone the ptlemaic and carthaginian desert wars lets not even go there.... Macedonia gets a bit big but they were expanding in those directions during the RTR timeframe though. Let alone the fact that there is no way to get realistic farming as shown in RTR PE AE 2.1 or negitiable rivers.

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

Hey it's Drakarbitor.

I don't see the point with this topic. A unified gaul, germen and Iberia is unrealistic. That is just how it is.

And yeah, it's a shame the AI don't behave as they wish.

But really.. what is the point with thias topic? To bash EB? We all know the AI expand unrealiticly. And I'm sure it's something they are trying to fix in 0.8.

Maybe the PE 1.7 have a more realistic expansion.. but I don't see how it concerns EB. I don't think they really care about how PE 1.7 is better.

There is ALOT of other thing EB does better/more realistic. Do you think the RTR-guys care about that?

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

Hmm and the point is?????

If you don't like it, don't play it...sorry if that simplifies things a little to much

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

But EB is fun.

And besides:

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~;p

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Seroiusly, you dodn't click on all those spoilers, did you?! You know, you could have just quoted what i typed and read it that way...

if you did, Bravo. :2thumbsup:

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

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But EB is fun.

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~;p

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Seroiusly, you didn't click on all those spoilers, did you?! You know, you could have just quoted what i typed and read it that way...

if you did, Bravo. :2thumbsup:

Btw Zorba, the forum can't really handle that many spoils. It clogs up at 40 or so spoils.

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

That may well be a good thing.

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

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Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

i don't think EB ever tried to be completely realistic 50 years down the line... i thought they just wanted to set up what 270bc was like to near perfect historic accuracy and then see what alternate history could be achieved and they do it very well... besides, being forced to conquer the exact places where faction X did at specific times would make a very very boring game

and also: how come you have an EB sig :laugh4:

GMM

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

We are trying to make AI expansion more realistic. We have been doing that for quite some time now. Uranos has been working on making it harder for Hayasdan to expand into the steppe, he and I have just about gotten baktria to quit moving into the steppe also and head into the east and south more too. We've been working with eadingas and stormy to stop the more unrealistic expansion in north africa and to temper the possibilities of conflict between Ptolemies and Carthaginians there as well. With 1.5 it seems as though there is more naval activity as well in places that we didn't see it before, so that is hopeful also. Carthage is also now (with north african changes) much more often expanding to Arse and Emporion and coming into conflict with roman and gallic factions.

What more can someone want from us?

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

Darkarbiter: We don't care because EB is fun! RTR is much more unrealistic than EB. Who cares whether Armenia takes over the steppes and Baktria takes over the whole entire east. As long as the players have a fun and challenging gameplay experience then most of us do not care who takes over what.

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

EB has always strived to set the table well, if you will, and let the players decide where to go from there. We give each faction a historical starting point and capabilities, and incent them to expand in ways that reflect their peoples' goals, but do not and will not force them to act historically. If everything were exactly the same I would find that very boring.

We feel we have the most historically accurate mod, but do not begrudge others their choices. We welcome civil discourse on the subject; this thread is not that. If you must introduce the RTW modding version of "My daddy can beat up your daddy" childishness I suggest doing it where people might care about it (the dead post graveyard?). Please do not do so here, we don't tolerate mod-bashing contests.

Please allow me to pass along a life lesson that may assist you when you are older: It is never a good idea to attempt to justify one's own mistakes by pointing out the real or perceived mistakes of others. It only drops your own credibility and makes you look bad.

(Note to self: Never have children.)

Re: To everyone who complains about unified gaul/germania/iberia

Oh yeah, I forgot. Locked.

Also, please don't do whatever you guys are doing with spoilers, it crashes my mobile phone browser.