Paging Doctor Moreau -- or, Revenge of the Cowmen

Are we not men? What is it with the Brits and H.G. Wells this month? First a hack Ph.D. declares that we'll all be living in The Time Machine, now some bio-engineers want to get started on The Island of Doctor Moreau. See for yourself.

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Plan to create human-cow embryos

By Fergus Walsh
BBC News, Medical correspondent

UK scientists have applied for permission to create embryos by fusing human DNA with cow eggs.

Researchers from Newcastle University and Kings College, London, have asked the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority for a three-year licence.

The hybrid human-bovine embryos would be used for stem cell research and would not be allowed to develop for more than a few days.

But critics say it is unethical and potentially dangerous.

Stem cell research is one of the most promising areas of medical science.

They are the body's master cells and five-day-old embryos are packed with them - each with the potential to turn into any tissue in the body.

It is this ability which scientists want to harness to treat diseases such as Parkinson's Disease, strokes and Alzheimer's Disease.

To do that, they need to have access to thousands of embryos for research.

Short supply

The problem is that human eggs for research are in short supply and to obtain them women have to undergo surgery.

That is why scientists want to use cows' eggs as a substitute.

They would insert human DNA into a cow's egg which has had its genetic material removed and then create an embryo by the same technique that produced Dolly the Sheep.

The resulting embryo would be 99.9% human, the only bovine element would be DNA outside the nucleus of the cell.

It would though, technically be a chimera, part-human, part-animal.

The aim would be to extract stem cells from the embryo when it is six days old, before destroying it.

The quality and the viability of stem cells would then be checked to see if technique has worked.

The scientists also plan to examine the way the cells are reprogrammed after fusion to see if there are useful processes they could replicate in the laboratory.

Lead researcher Dr Lyle Armstrong said: "If we can learn from the egg cell how to make embryonic stem cells without having to use an animal egg at all then some day we may be able to cure diseases such as Parkinson's disease, or better still some of the age-related diseases which are creating such a burden on society."

Dr Stephen Minger, from King's College London, said: "The current state of the technology is such that literally hundreds of human ooctyes (eggs) from young women will be required to generate a single human embryonic stem cell line.

"Therefore we consider it more appropriate to use non-human oocytes from livestock as a surrogate.

"We feel that the development of disease-specific human embryonic stem cell lines from individuals suffering from genetic forms of neurodegenerative disorders will stimulate both basic research and the development of new medicines to treat these horrific brain diseases."

'Undermining humanity'

Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, head of Developmental Genetics, National Institute for Medical Research, said: "This is a very rational step: to learn what you can using animal eggs, which are readily obtainable, before moving on to valuable human eggs when or if this becomes necessary."

But some will argue the end does not justify the means.

Calum MacKellar, from the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, said the research undermines the distinction between animals and humans and breaches human rights.

He said: "In the history of humankind animals and human species have been separated.

"In this kind of procedure you are mixing at a very intimate level animal eggs and human chromosomes, and you may begin to undermine the whole distinction between humans animals and humans.

"If that happens it might also undermine human dignity and human rights."

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Lead researcher Dr Lyle Armstrong said: "If we can learn from the egg cell how to make embryonic stem cells without having to use an animal egg at all then some day we may be able to cure diseases such as Parkinson's disease, or better still some of the age-related diseases which are creating such a burden on society."

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Calum MacKellar, from the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, said the research undermines the distinction between animals and humans and breaches human rights.

"If that happens it might also undermine human dignity and human rights."

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Yeah, and Parkinsons is soooooooo dignified

Oh, I thought the subject was about something udder than this.


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Well, they could ask the guy who married that goat about human/animal relationships. :laugh4:

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Oh, I thought the subject was about something udder than this.


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This business of stem cell research is all a bit moo-t

Will females of this unholy union have, ummmm, big breasts? :rolleyes:

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Will females of this unholy union have, ummmm, big breasts? :rolleyes:

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With any luck 4 of them. ~D

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With any luck 4 of them. ~D

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Something odd going on with genetics if they do.

Clearly breast info is stored in mitochondria...

This sounds perfectly reasonable, if they can get it to work.

Does that guy have four penises attached to a giant testicle?!?! :inquisitive:

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I couldn't help myself.

I could milk this thread for jokes all day long.

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Cud you?

It would behoove you to stop the puns.

This is exactly the sort of thing the Green party would throw a hissy over. It will save human lives and cure disease. Like it or not but we need to put OURSELVES first. It is what every other species does.

Lichen?