Men at arms?

Maybe I'm missing something, and I haven't been in a campaign for a long duration (up to 1180 AD I think), but I mostly sea either spear units, dismounted knights/nobles and the odd swordmen, like nordic swordmen, or axe wielders like Gallowglasses and vikings/huscarls. What about men-at-arms?
Will they come at a later satge in the game? but what invention is needed or do you need a very advanced building?

Nope, there are none. Shame, really...:no:

Darn.. Probably in the expansion pack then :no:

Italians have them , and English Armoured Swordsmen are pretty much the same thing .

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Originally Posted by Mr Frost

Italians have them , and English Armoured Swordsmen are pretty much the same thing .

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Yep, they're another name for the same thing, the term pretty much covers any professional soldier really.

I have seen men-at-arms in the game, definitely mounted, although I can't remember right now for which faction and whether they can be dismounted.

Venice get Men-At-Arms and Dismounted Men-At-Arms.

Cool. What is normally the prequisite for these guys? build in a city or in a castle? do they need an invention or a building?

Wait for Westeros Total War, there will definitely be men-at-arms. Imho, i think it would be a great setting for the next game actually, let's pray the seven...

Men-at-arms (mounted and dismounted) can be recruited in castles when the barracks and horse-breeder line is on level 3, iirc.

Thanks R'as.

Man at Arms = Professional Soldier (I think)

So you can think of pretty much any non-militia, non-levy and non-noble combat unit as being Men at Arms...

Would that be right?

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Originally Posted by Bob the Insane

Man at Arms = Professional Soldier (I think)

So you can think of pretty much any non-militia, non-levy and non-noble combat unit as being Men at Arms...

Would that be right?

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roughly, yes.

the knights non-noble retinues of warriors were menatarms, and the knights themselves could be that. in the game, it clearly refers to soldiers who are not part of the knightly social class.

Isn't Dismounted feudal knights essentially the same as men-at-arms from MTW?

I don't think so. dismounted knights were an option in MTW, though only in siege battles IIRC. What I meant with MAA is indeed the non-nobles, or retinue men, which fought in different degrees of equipement, but mostly in some armor and a sword, though some surely fought with axes, spears even, crossbows, or those balls-on-chains. Pretty much variable really, a 'unit' of those men rarely fought with only swords, but mostly with swords though.
It would be cool to see a unit of those (middle class men, between peasants/militia and nobles) with different weapons in 1 single unit. But I understand that they ARE in the game (any non-noble sword wielding unit would qualify) and I can imagine the building reqs are pretty high, because it is a significant upgrade from a militia.