Unofficial Makedonian Unit Recruitment Guide
Playing as Makedonia and confused about Gov types and MICs?
Here is a little guide where to recruit which unit depending on the
gov type. (n) means native, (l) is local.
note 1:
The non-faction units list is not complete as i concentrated on the most "interesting" n.-f. units available in cities that are necessary for the victory conditions.
note 2:
The stats of non-faction units differ from custom battles because i had a black
smith in every town and gov types 3 and 4 give an +1 Experience
bonus. For stats like lethality, mass and secondary weapon please
have a look at export_descr_unit.txt. ~D
note 3:
For the recruitment of elite faction units (e.g. Agyraspidai) keep in
mind that you need "Macedons" for them. It seems that this does not quite
match the Homeland resource, as I was able to recruit more elite
faction units in Seleukeia (poss. gov type 2) then in Serdike (poss. gov type 1).
Please correct me if i´m wrong.
note 4: For the case you dont know how the gov type/Mic systems works:- Gov type 1: (n) max Mic level 5, (l) max Mic level 2
- Gov type 2: (n) max Mic level 4, (l) max Mic level 3
- Gov type 3: (n) max Mic level 3, (l) max Mic level 4
- Gov type 4: (n) max Mic level 2, (l) max Mic level 5
General advice:- There will be lots of spawning rebels in your game. Use them.
Recruit 2-3 hypaspistai and 1 hetairoi, take one of your promising young generals and hunt them down. As soon as they have 1 or 2 silver chevrons incorporate them in your fighting stacks. - Build an Acadamy in your capital as soon as possible and "educate" your 16 year olds there. If you´re lucky they will get the Tutor-ancillary and good traits.
- Ally with the Getai and give them a regular tribute (100 or 200 mnai/20 turns) as a gift.
My alliance lasted 60 years though they bordered my territory for about 55 years.
The same applies to other (small) factions.
Searching for a something? There you go:
- Cities:
- Homeland
- Ambrakia
- Demetrias
- Epidamnos
- Pella
- Serdike
- Tylis
- Greece
- Athenai
- Byzantion
- Chalkis
- Korinthos
- Kydonia
- Rhodos
- Sparte
- Thermon
- Sicily
- Italy
- Ariminum
- Arpi
- Arretium
- Capua
- Roma
- Rhegion
- Taras
- Non-faction units recruitment list
- Non-faction units stats
- My army composition and tactics
Cities with Homeland resource (Gov type 1, all Mic buildings are native)
Ambrakia
- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Pezhetairoi
- Thureophoroi
- Prodromoi
- Mic Level 4
- Pheraspidai
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
- Mic Level 5
- Hypaspistai
- 3-cubit arrow projector
- 1-talent stone projector
Enormous military port (Nerion Hypermegas) available
Demetrias
- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Thureophoroi
- Prodromoi
- Hippeis Thessalikoi
- Mic Level 4
- Pheraspidai
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- Argyraspidai
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
- Mic Level 5
- Hetairoi
- Hypaspistai
- 3-cubit arrow projector
- 1-talent stone projector
Epidamnos
- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Pella
- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Haploi
- Mic Level 2
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Sphendonetai
- Mic Level 3
- Pezhetairoi
- Thureophoroi
- Prodromoi
- Hippeis Thessalikoi
- Mic Level 4
- Pheraspidai
- Agyraspidai
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
- Mic Level 5
- Hetairoi
- Hypaspistai
- 3-cubit arrow projector
- 1-talent stone projector
Enormous military port (Nerion Hypermegas) available
Serdike
- Mic Level 1Mic Level 2
- Spendonetai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
Mic Level 3Mic Level 4- Thraikioi Prodromoi
- Pheraspidai
- Thraikioi Peltastai
- Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi
Mic Level 5
Tylis
- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Pheraspidai
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- Thraikioi Peltastai
- Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi
- Mic Level 5
Greece(poss. gov type 2, all local are Hoplitai, Mic Level 3 except Kydonia)
Athenai
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetaroi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Byzantion
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Thureophoroi
- Pezhetairoi
- Prodromoi
- Thraikioi Hippeis
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetaroi
- Thraikioi Prodromoi
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- Thraikioi Peltastai
Chalkis
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
Korinthos
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetaroi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Kydonia
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetaroi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Rhodos
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetaroi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Enormous military port (Nerion Hypermegas) available
Sparte
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
Thermon
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
Sicily
Lilibeo
Native
----
Local
----
Messana
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
Local - Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Syrakousai
Native- Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local - Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Italy (poss. gov type 2)
Ariminum
Native
----
Local
----
Enormous military port (Nerion Hypermegas) available
Arpi
Native
----
Local - Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Arretium
Native- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local
----
Capua
Native- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Enormous military port (Nerion Hypermegas) available
Rhegion
Native - Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Pezhetairoi
- Thureophoroi
- Prodromoi
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local - Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
Roma
Native- Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local
----
Taras
Native - Mic Level 1
- Akontistai
- Hoplitai Hoploi
- Mic Level 2
- Sphendonetai
- Toxotai
- Peltastai
- Phalangitai Deuteroi
- Mic Level 3
- Pezhetairoi
- Thureophoroi
- Prodromoi
- Mic Level 4
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
- 3-span arrow projector
- 30-mina stone projector
Local - Mic Level 1
- Mic Level 2
- Mic Level 3
- Mic Level 4
- Mic Level 5
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Maybe i´ll add gov type 2 faction units in Asia Minor in the future (don´t count on it though :san_grin:) .
Non-faction Units
Kydonia
Gov type 2, Mic Level 4 (n) Toxotai Kretikoi
Serdike
Gov type 1, Mic Level 3 (n) Thraikioi Hippeis
Gov type 1, Mic Level 4 (n) Thraikioi Peltastai
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Taxeis Triballoi
Tylis
Gov type 1, Mic Level 3 (n) Thraikioi Hippeis
Gov type 1, Mic Level 4 (n) Thraikioi Peltastai
Gov type 3, Mic Level 3 (f) Leuce Epos
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Taxeis Triballoi, Galatatikoi Kuarothoroi
Kallatis
Gov type 3, Mic Level 3 (n) Thraikioi Hippeis
Gov type 3, Mic Level 1 (f) Skuda Baexdzhyntae
Gov type 3, Mic Level 2 (f) Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae
Byzantion
Gov type 2, Mic Level 3 (n) Thraikioi Hippeis
Gov type 2, Mic Level 4 (n) Thraikioi Peltastai
Nikaia
Gov type 2, Mic Level 3 (n) Thraikioi Hippeis
Gov type 2, Mic Level 4 (n) Thraikioi Peltastai
Ankyra
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Galatatikoi Kuarothoroi
Gov type 4, Mic Level 5 (f) Lavotuxri
Seleukeia
Gov type 2, Mic Level 1 (f) Thanvare Payahdag
Gov type 2, Mic Level 2 (f) Nizag Gund
Gov type 2, Mic Level 3 (f) Mad Asabara
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Toxotai Syriakoi
Antiocheia
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Toxotai Syriakoi
Damaskos
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Toxotai Syriakoi
Edessa
Gov type 2, Mic Level 1 (f) Thanvare Payahdag
Gov type 2, Mic Level 2 (f) Nizag Gund
Gov type 2, Mic Level 3 (f) Mad Asabara
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Toxotai Syriakoi
Taras
Gov type 2, Mic Level 2 (f) Samnite Medium Spearmen
Gov type 3, Mic Level 4 (f) Samnite Heavy Infantry
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For the guys who think "Thanvare Paya....wtf?" (like me), here are stasts and pics:
Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers)
https://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6203/cretenux0.png
Attack 9
Missile 4
Defense 17
Long range/flaming missiles
Good moral
Fast moving
Upkeep 383
Skuda Baexdzhyntae (Light Horse Archers)
https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/...archersht3.png
Attack 5
Missile 8
Charge 27
Defense 14
Long range missiles
Cantabrian circle
Good morale
Very good stamina
Fast moving
Upkeep 417
Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae (Medium Horse Archers)
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/...archerssr6.png
Attack 12
Missile 7
Charge 12
Defense 12
Long range missiles
Cantabrian circle
Good morale
Very good stamina
Fast moving
Upkeep 521
Thraikioi Hippeis (Horse Skirmishers)
https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/...ipperiagt9.png
Attack 11
Missile 6
Charge 13
Defense 20
Bonus vs. Elephants and Chariots
Cantabrian Circle
Good morale
Very good stamina
Fast moving
Upkeep 559
Thraikioi Peltastai (Thracian Skirmishers)
https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/...iansrirct0.png
Attack 11
Missile 7
Defense 24
Can hide in long grass
Bonus vs. Elephants and Chariots
Good morale
Good stamina
Fast moving
Upkeep 344
Galatikoi Kuarothoroi (Heavy Shock Infantry)
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/70...anshockgw9.png
Attack 14
Defense 27
Expert at hiding in woods
Excellent morale
Good stamina
Upkeep 532
Lavotuxri (Galatian Heavy Cavalry)
https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/...hockcavyr1.png
Attack 7
Charge 30
Defense 25
Effective against armour
Excellent morale
Can form wedge
Powerful charge
Good stamina
Upkeep 912
Taxeis Triballoi (Assault Infantry)
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/...iballoizi5.png
Attack 8
Missile 5
Defense 21
Expert at hiding in woods
Bonus vs. Elephants and Chariots
Good morale
Fast moving
Upkeep 168
Samnite Heavy Infantry
https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/...teheavyiu8.png
Attack 11
Missile 8
Defense 28
Uses missiles before Charging
Excellent morale
upkeep 500
Samnite Medium Spearmen
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/...emediumep6.png
Attack 11
Missile 8
Defense 26
Bonus vs. Elephants and Chariots
Uses missiles before Charging
Good morale
Good stamina
Upkeep 362
Taras Gov type 3 and 4
Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/...archerswe6.png
Attack 10
Missile 6
Defense 10
Long range/flaming misseles
Good morale
Fast moving
Upkeep 192
Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers)
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/...archersnu5.png
Attack 11
Missile 6
Defense 13
Long range/flaming missiles
Good morale
Fast moving
Upkeep 371
Mad Asabara (Medium Median Cavalry)
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4425/medianpf5.png
Attack 6
Charge 27
Defense 18
Effective against armour
Can form wedge
May carge without orders
Good morale
Powerful charge
Fast moving
Upkeep 564
Nizag Gund (Parthian Spearmen)
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/...pearmenre8.png
Attack 12
Defense 16
Expert at hiding in woods
Bonus fighting cavalry
Good morale
Fast moving
Upkeep 305
Sorry if i mixed up gov types and/or stats, i double-checked it!
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Update:
Here is something for the arm-chair general in all of us
(complain, critize and call me an idiot as much as you want) ~D
My makedonia strategy (basically Hammer&Anvil) and army composition:
https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8383/armyec3.png
First stage of battle
https://img503.imageshack.us/img503/...tfertigao7.jpg
The Agyraspidai are the center of the battle line, the Hysteroi Pezhetaroi protect their right flank. Thureophoroi do what they are supposed to do and guard the vulnerable sides of the phalanx. The Hypaspistai function as reserve for the case that the AI does weird things.~D
Others:
Hetaroi: One of the most important units and the "hammer".
Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi: Very capable assault infantry. I use them to kill medium infantry on the enemy´s flank or as ambush unit in long grass and woods.
Prodromoi: "Light" cavalry, perfectly suited to drive of skirmishers and hunt down routing enemies. Could be replaced by the Thraikioi Prodromoi though.
Thraikioi Peltastai: Far more than skirmishers. They´re a real threat to any medium infantry as they have nice attack/defence stats and are able to hold the line against heavy infantry, too (but send help ASAP).
Horse Archers: Skuda Baexdzhyntae (light) or Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae (medium), a matter of taste. I prefer the light ones as they have slightly better missile/defense stats and spears as secondary weapons.
Really versatile units but make sure to attack the enemy from the left (non-shield side) or from behind. Never let them engage in melee against an organized infantry unit!
The alternative would be Creten Archers but they cost roughly the same
and why have foot archers while you can have horse archers instead?
Second stage
https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/48...1fertigmm1.jpg
The Thracians attack the left flank. If they have problems, do a mini hammer&anvil with the hetaroi. As soon as the enemy routs send the cav to the right flank and help the thureophoroi and Hysteroi Pezhetaroi. Use the Agrians and the Prodromoi against units that are trying to get behind your lines. Maybe exploit gaps in the enemy´s formation with the Hypaspistai.
Third stage
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/...2fertigty9.jpg
Time for the horse archers. Move behind the battle line and get rid of the arrows! Of course one could have used them way earlier (as bait for cavalry, generals or to "carrhae" the enemy), but they´re really effective if used this way and in a perfect position to kill routing units once they depleted their ammo.
Now make a killing zone of the battlefield. Attack the battle line from behind with the Hetaroi and destroy any units that are still fighting with your phalanx.
Here are some possible replacements for the units i´m using atm (all these are recruitable around the Mak starting territory).
For the Thracian Skirmishers/Thureophoroi:
Galatikoi Kuarothoroi: very nice heavy infantry, but less mobile.
Samnite Heavy Infantry: same as above.
Taxeis Triballoi: very cheap skirmisher unit, decent stats.
For the Horse Archers:
Creten Archers: Good stats, but a bit expensive.
Toxotai: worthless, imho.
Sphendonetai (slingers, all factions): very cheap and once they have 3 or 4 chevrons pretty effective (amour piercing!)
Oh, maybe add some Gesetae mercenaries to your army ~D
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Enjoy EB!
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Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Holy ****! I had no idea this list existed!
Edit: I have the urge to contribute, so I'll give you some pretty colours accompanying my Macedonian army:
https://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9201/macarmybt2.jpg
https://img236.imageshack.us/img236/...tacticslj4.jpg
https://img236.imageshack.us/img236/...plainedgw4.jpg
Weird to think that although it's a phalanx based army, it only has five phalangite units. Peltasts, Agrianians and the Pheraspidai make up for the flanking infantry, while the Hetairoi and the general flank from the high right and the Thessalians from the high left. The Promodroi and the Thracian cavalry chace skirmishers away from the main cavalry routes.
I like to think of it as pretty authentic.
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
I must say this guide is phenomenal. It will sure save me some headaches.
Thaatu: My Macedonian army is eerily similar to yours. I think I just have one less cavalry unit and replacing that is another phalangite unit. Most likely Argyraspidai. And the Cretan Archers would be replaced with Agrianian Assault Infantry since I just love those guys :2thumbsup:
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Thank you very much, Liberator, for updating my list to the v2 version, intended to do it myself, but RL has been a bitch and i simply had no time. Well, to be honest, i had some time on my hands but i thought i´d better spend it on actually playing EB than writing a guide for it. ~D
Edit: @Liberator
If you want to continue this guide for next versions of EB, feel free to copy my first post, make the necessary changes and start your own thread :stwshame:
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Are you sure the pezhetairoi can be recruited in Ambrakia? o.O I remember the last time I tried in 0.81 I couldn't...
EDIT: I've just confirmed one more time on 0.81a that you can't get pezhetairoi in Ambrakia.
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
@Liberator - How did you determine where Pezhetairoi can be recruited?
I've been relying on the recruitment area maps in the Unit card project thread and the one for the Greek units indicates that Pezhetairoi can only be recruited in Pella and Demetrias.
I am using Pella and Demetrias as my recruitment centres so I can confirm that Pezhetairoi can be recruited in both.
I haven't upgrade the MICs in any other areas yet because I didn't think that I could recruit Pezhetairoi anywhere else based on that recruitment map.
I'm waiting for the reformed pike units to be available, which the recruitment map says can be recruited in many more areas, before upgrading.
Would you please confirm whether the Pezhetairoi info is correct.
Thanks,
woirble
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Pezhetairoi can only be recruited in Pella, Demetrias, Alexandreia, Antiocheia, and Seleukeia.
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
Pezhetairoi can only be recruited in Pella, Demetrias, Alexandreia, Antiocheia, and Seleukeia.
...and in Baktra as well. If you want to go so far with your makedons ...:dizzy2:
Besides, I didn't checked everything of Bavarian Barbarian's v'80 guide for v81. I just added some obvious changes.
Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Oh yeah, thats right. You could recruit them in Baktria, then you couldn't, now they're back.
AW: Re: Small Makedonian Recruitment Guide
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaatu
Very similar to mine: ~D
https://img251.imageshack.us/img251/...meezusavg3.jpg
Seems like Makedonian armies are somehow universal.~:)
