What's so special about Toulouse?

In each of the three campaigns I've played (Spain, Byz, Scot), the Pope has, at some point, called a Crusade on Toulouse, after the owning faction (me, France, me) became excommunicated. In my present game, it's 70-something turns in, and it's the only Crusade he's called!

Does anyone know why, of all the provinces he could want 'liberated', he always seems keen to target Toulouse? Is it just something funky about the Popes in my game?

I've only seen Crusades called on Toulouse and Jerusalem... does his Holiness have a remarkably limited world-view (come to think of it, I've only seen Jihads called on Constantinople - is there a specific set of regions the AI can Crusade\Jihad to?)?

I have seen and participated in a crusade to Antioch. I think that there is a list the AI follows in an order for crusades.

Well when I played as the Turks and captured Constantinople, all the Pope could think about was sending a crusade there as often as he could. I think I endured like 3-4 crusades on that one city over a span of a hundred years. So after I killed of Pope and took Rome, he never tried that stunt again.

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Originally Posted by Midnight

In each of the three campaigns I've played (Spain, Byz, Scot), the Pope has, at some point, called a Crusade on Toulouse, after the owning faction (me, France, me) became excommunicated. In my present game, it's 70-something turns in, and it's the only Crusade he's called!

Does anyone know why, of all the provinces he could want 'liberated', he always seems keen to target Toulouse? Is it just something funky about the Popes in my game?

I've only seen Crusades called on Toulouse and Jerusalem... does his Holiness have a remarkably limited world-view (come to think of it, I've only seen Jihads called on Constantinople - is there a specific set of regions the AI can Crusade\Jihad to?)?

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Maybe he wants some of those Toulouse cookies.

IN descr_regions, each settlement has a list of resources and hidden resources. Some settlements have the 'crusade' or 'jihad' hidden. So if you want to add a bit of variety add them to other settlements.

Yep, toluse has been a target for me too (as the hre) - must have the resource that serenius mentioned

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Originally Posted by serenius4tsd

IN descr_regions, each settlement has a list of resources and hidden resources. Some settlements have the 'crusade' or 'jihad' hidden. So if you want to add a bit of variety add them to other settlements.

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THANKS for that information. I will use this. I bow :bow: to your mastery of the descr files.

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Originally Posted by Midnight

Does anyone know why, of all the provinces he could want 'liberated', he always seems keen to target Toulouse?

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I'm not certain, but I'd assume it's meant to represent the Albignesian Crusade against the heretical Cathars.

Here's a link to the history of the Albignesian Crusade. (Couldn't use a URL in my first post. Long-time lurker).

http://www.xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm

When did you get exommed? Pope calls crusade 1100-1120 on Jerusalem or Antioch. Only been Antioch 1 out of over 25 for me.

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Maybe he wants some of those Toulouse cookies.

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LOL.

Yeah, I think it being a historical crusade target has something to do with it. Also, Toulouse is a major thoroughfare for armies crossing through southern Europe or into Iberia. Constantinople and Antioch are high traffic areas for armies heading east, and are also frequent crusade targets.

I had France get ex-commed early in my Scots campaign, and the Pope called for a very early crusade on Toulouse (turn 15 or so?)

Poland beat me to Toulouse, creating a bit of a map oddity. They sat there for years, doing nothing with it and eventually traded it to me for relatively little cash.

I wonder if the Pope's affinity for the region is intended to reflect the historical papal seat in Avignon, though Marseille seems a bit closer to Avignon.

Good call on the Albigensian Crusade. I got Toulouse as a mission from the pope too and it seemed a little odd. But the Albigensian heresy would certainly explain it as a target. I should have thought of that--I took a college course on the Crusades including the Albigensian one, but granted that was 25 years ago.... The next crusade I got as a mission was Jerusalem, which seemed right on the money.

Everybody beat me to the Albigensian Crusade. That came right to mind when I saw the title of this thread. I believe MTW treated as an event.

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Originally Posted by Midnight

In each of the three campaigns I've played (Spain, Byz, Scot), the Pope has, at some point, called a Crusade on Toulouse, after the owning faction (me, France, me) became excommunicated. In my present game, it's 70-something turns in, and it's the only Crusade he's called!

Does anyone know why, of all the provinces he could want 'liberated', he always seems keen to target Toulouse? Is it just something funky about the Popes in my game?

I've only seen Crusades called on Toulouse and Jerusalem... does his Holiness have a remarkably limited world-view (come to think of it, I've only seen Jihads called on Constantinople - is there a specific set of regions the AI can Crusade\Jihad to?)?

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Your problem is you not asking for Crusades.. The Pope asks for foolish places like Cairo, Antioch or worse one of your cities. Fortunately you know better; the best crusade target is a city of your excommunicated neighbor so help the Pope along here. Crusades are a powerful tool in MTW2, make sure you are the one using it and not your enemies.

you can also call crusades on lisbon and other cities of factions that are excommed. I had have seen a crusade on Antion (which i called myself once too) on Lisbon, toulouse and on jerusalem 2x... also a lot of Jihads on Constantinople and one remote city in the middle east...

I've seen a Jhiad on Bahgdad that no-one anwsered...

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Originally Posted by Carl

I've seen a Jhiad on Bahgdad that no-one anwsered...

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Every game I play there is a Jihad called on Baghdad in the first 10 turns

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Originally Posted by Mega Dux Bob

Your problem is you not asking for Crusades.. The Pope asks for foolish places like Cairo, Antioch or worse one of your cities. Fortunately you know better; the best crusade target is a city of your excommunicated neighbor so help the Pope along here. Crusades are a powerful tool in MTW2, make sure you are the one using it and not your enemies.

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Exactly right. Crusades are for ME to decide. Not some other money grubbing sheep loving faction. Muhahahahahaha!!!!

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Originally Posted by ShadesPanther

Every game I play there is a Jihad called on Baghdad in the first 10 turns

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Not every game I play has that jihad called, but most of them do. Funny thing is: most of the time, it fails even though all three muslim factions join it. :laugh4: Either there are some tough sons-of-a-gun defending Baghdad or those jihad armies just plain suck! :laugh4:

I have yet to see a crusade called on Toulouse, though I did get one called on Genoa. That'll teach those silly Milanese to honk me off when I've the pope in my pocket and they're excommunicated. ;).

When playing as Portugal I have experienced the crusade to Tolouse, cause I called it:-) Okay I told the pope to call it. And took it. Got Knights of Santiago. kewl. Now with Spain I had the pope call a crusade against Tolouse in turn 100 or so, I have besieged it, but those idiot died (the pope) so the crusade was cancelled. Damn. I took the castle. And of course after that I had to kill of the ex-crusaders from Milan. How i hate Milan! They are the number one backstabbing nation of the game.

The whole of the Languedoc region was subjected to a 'crusade' by the both the King of France and the Pope. The Cathars or Albigensians were both heretical and incredibly rich, thus the reasons for a crusade come apparent. The religion itself in very interesting and worth a read if your interested in that era or maybe even the heretical parts of Christianity. The crusade itself was around the 1210s and for a good few years. Alas I digress, hope i didn't step on previous postees toes.