UFOs what are they and why are they ignored?

And now for some lighter fare…maybe?

I may regret this in about 12 seconds…….

People all over the world are seeing something but what are they and where do they come from. Communists and Capitalists alike report seeing strange objects in the sky. Even Presidents have seen them.

Continuing to pretend that they don't exist is like ignoring the elephant in the livingroom.
Odd things have been discussed throughout human existence, they crop up perhaps in the bible and in much older records, they have been portrayed in medieval and renasance paintings, described in Irish tails and by American Indians. People have reported them from all the world over and serious science continues to ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that something is there.

I am not obsessed with the subject but I do wonder why it is so ignored.
I unfortunately saw one in daylight but very near to sunset. What I saw was not a trick of swampgas or any trick of light. If I could have explained it as imaginings or a trick on the eyes then I would not be writing this.

It was brief but not so brief as to not see details. I hadn't seen one before the encounter and haven't seen one since. Nor did I want or expect to see what I saw. But enough preamble and on to what I saw.

The year was 1967 and it was a clear summer late afternoon, the sun had not gone down in the west but the east was beginning to have that deep velvet blue of dusk. Yes and no mind altering or intoxicating substances were being imbibed. We were travailing in a car at about 40MPH toward a small town, the town I lived nearest to in fact and I was very familiar with the terrain and surroundings. When it came into our view it was moving very slowly across the top of a grove of trees, the only trees in an agricultural area. The trees were perhaps 40 feet tall with one single house nearby. We were several hundred yards away and the driver slowed…a bit of shock I guess. The TV antenna from the house was visible at a level below the object. It continued to move in an easterly direction and once clear of the trees dropped to an altitude of only about 12 feet. It appeared to be about 35 feet long and disk shaped. It was made of what appeared to be made of a silvery metallic substance with some small dark round ports above the centreline but it gave off a blue radiance that seemed to engulf the craft. It crossed the road in front of the house and crossed a deep weeded ditch between the road and a railroad track embankment. The railroad embankment was rather higher than all of the surrounding land, being perhaps 25 feet high. There the object stopped for a moment and slowly elevated its forward end to about a 35° to 40° angle. When it did this I noticed that it was not disk shaped as I had first thought but was actually a rather sleek and rounded triangular shape. It just sat hovering at that angle for a moment. Then the glowing field sounding it began to change to a green then orangish and suddenly it shot away at fantastic speed, it was just a streak of light. It curved to the south and made a radical turn to the east and was out of sight in only a couple of seconds. I clearly saw it pass over the lights of a city that I knew was over 35 miles away and the altitude of the object was several thousands of feet before it was out of its curve. I would estimate its overall dimensions as about 4 to 5 feet wide at the nose to about 15 feet wide at the rear and about 30 to 35 feet in length. It seemed to be only 6 to 7 feet in the height of it body. It was therefore much smaller than almost any airplane in the area and certainly was no biplane crop-duster.

In summery what I saw was a craft of unknown origins which looked and behaved like nothing I have any other familiarity with.

I don't know who was driving, who holds the title, where it came from or where it was going, but it would be cool to have one in the driveway.

More than 3/4ths of the population believe in or have seen these sorts of things…but what the heck are they and who owns them? Are they a government secrete or little green guys or what?

Now the tough part for some of you guys…………..Any THOUGHTS?
and I mean real ones.

*crickets*

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Originally Posted by Goofball

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Hey, don't look at me. Where I live, the black helicopters can get to my house in about 3 minutes.... :creep:

I think the reason nobody cares about UFO's is because people are already preocuppied with all the crazy stuff that has been going on lately.

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Originally Posted by drone

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Originally Posted by Goofball

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Hey, don't look at me. Where I live, the black helicopters can get to my house in about 3 minutes.... :creep:

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That's right Drone. I think Goofball doesn't quite understand the gravity of the matter. Up in Canada they simply don't have the same amount of aliens arriving illegally. :no:

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Originally Posted by drone

Hey, don't look at me. Where I live, the black helicopters can get to my house in about 3 minutes.... :creep:

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3 minutes? Black helicopters come from Fort Campbell.

Israel and Syria have possibly considered negotiating secretly.

That strikes me as far wierder than daft flying things.

Honestly, my main point about UFOs isn't denying that they exist, but just that I don't care if they do.

If you like UFO related stuff, listen to Coast to Coast AM. It's on in the early AM, on AM.

Well to do some analysis of what those aliens have been doing.
Firstly, they seem awfully fond of driving up anal probes in people and then simply drop them back to earth (and they seem to have changed physical appearence since the middle ages).
It's far more easier to kidnap people and preform all physical experiments on them and thier decendants. We humans usually doesn't capture new lab rats everytime we need them.
Second, they have the technology not to be seen by radar, flying several light years etc. and is still stupid enough to drive around and get seen all the time, disrupting the natural behavior of the specimens they're studying.

Conclution: If they're aliens out there studying us, they don't seem to do a very good job.

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

If you like UFO related stuff, listen to Coast to Coast AM. It's on in the early AM, on AM.

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Thanks Vlad but I am in Europe, do they have an English language affiliate you know of in Germany?

I posted the story because everyone seems to have opinions (theirs or some they heard and liked) on a wide range of topics. Some may have no opinion on this at all but it could be an opportunity to think about things in a different way.

I am most curious as to why it seems to be so forcefully ignored.

Do you think we might be someone else's science experiment?

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I am most curious as to why it seems to be so forcefully ignored.

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Simple: 99% of sightings are by obvious liars, frauds and fruitbats. The other 1% are easily tarred with the same brush. Bear in mind the reliability of eyewitnesses generally (most people can't accurately recall the colour of a car in a crash on their own doorstep etc etc) IMHO what isn't down to hallucination or misinterpretation is probably due to secret military developments.

Having said that I did see (along with a second party) something wierd once, a light floating along in the sky, not explainable by plane, helicopter or satellite theories - silent, erratic motion, in dead calm weather.... never figured it out, but we did report it to the local UFO hunters.....

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Originally Posted by macsen rufus

Simple: 99% of sightings are by obvious liars, frauds and fruitbats. The other 1% are easily tarred with the same brush....(my edit)... IMHO what isn't down to hallucination or misinterpretation is probably due to secret military developments.

Having said that I did see (along with a second party) something wierd once, a light floating along in the sky, not explainable by plane, helicopter or satellite theories - silent, erratic motion, in dead calm weather.... never figured it out, but we did report it to the local UFO hunters.....

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I would tend to disagree that most are liars, but agree that most are afraid of being tarred with that brush…at least in the west.

I do believe it was brave of you to admit to a sighting in this particular venue however.
There must be some reason other than mass insanity why most believe that there is something there.

The description of UFO ships and aliens has altered through the years. Either they are playing with us, there are lots of different ones, or people see different things depending on the development of the era.

I would think that many ones which aren't a trick of the light etc are some planes that are bieng tested and are kept secret.

Until problems are sorted out on this planet I think that things should be focused here. That includes the lack of exploration in the sea depths / rainforest / soil before sending satelites to mars.

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People see stuff all the time, humans are programmed to recognise things without really looking. Hence why :) looks like a face, when it is just two dots and a curve. Plus there are a whole lot of ill people around, then you throw in the military flying around a bit in remote areas, and a 'mystery' is waiting to happen.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

Thanks Vlad but I am in Europe, do they have an English language affiliate you know of in Germany?

I posted the story because everyone seems to have opinions (theirs or some they heard and liked) on a wide range of topics. Some may have no opinion on this at all but it could be an opportunity to think about things in a different way.

I am most curious as to why it seems to be so forcefully ignored.

Do you think we might be someone else's science experiment?

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http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/wheretolisten.html

That's the web site. They used to have a shortwave station but last time I heard about that was over a decade ago (maybe two). They’ve interviewed David Darling, a UK astrobiologist before so they do have an international reach. Regardless, it seems like the entire program is available at their web site, I'm sure commercials are included.

Personally I'm not too impressed with the new host. Too much weird/improbable UFO stuff and it's not as heavy on the science as it used to be. There used to be more variety to the program too. There may still be but I don't listen to it often. Art Bell was a much better host and it seemed like he went more into the mysteries of the Earth and universe without being so, spaced out.

Wellll, the entire population of MexicoCity witnessed UFOs a few years back, lots of video footage as I recall. Anyone that has seen footage of the event has the option to dismiss it as an elaberate hoax perpetrated by geniouses with access to a multiple variety of laser equipment and such (skys btw were fairly clear of clouds, but is always smog there), or come up with their own explanation. The Mexican government went with the "no comment" for their explanation. So, maybe the Mexican AirForce is much more advanced than ours (and hiding the fact 'til they invade us :beam: ), or there really do exist craft from other areas of our solar system interested in us - they must be pretty disappointed by now, one would think.

Did have my own experience, but was young (8 or 9) and suppose it could have been a weather ballon as my Grandmother said (she didn't see it), that made a 90degree manuever and shot away at such increadible speed that we (my cousin saw it with me) lost sight of it in a matter of seconds. This was in Southern Illinois (56' or 57' ?) - we were looking to see if we could spot "Sputnik". When we told Gram we had, she said it was the wrong time and night to see it.

Doubt nothing, and question everything.:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

3 minutes? Black helicopters come from Fort Campbell.

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Christians In Action are headquartered in Langley, VA only a few miles from Fairfax. The color of any helicopters they may or may not have has not been publicly disclosed. If you are made aware of that color, they may have to kill you -- and that creates annoying paperwork.


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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Christians In Action are headquartered in Langley, VA only a few miles from Fairfax. The color of any helicopters they may or may not have has not been publicly disclosed. If you are made aware of that color, they may have to kill you -- and that creates annoying paperwork.


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Yes and soon their missionaries will be at your doorstep with a choice. Do you take the Red pill, or the Blue one? :evil:


The whole black helicopter thing is a different but slightly related topic. My dad used to talk about them, and I would just look at him :inquisitive: . It made me happy when I saw them constantly flying over Campbell. Go Nightstalkers! :army:

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Yes and soon their missionaries will be at your doorstep with a choice. Do you take the Red pill, or the Blue one? :evil:


The whole black helicopter thing is a different but slightly related topic. My dad used to talk about them, and I would just look at him :inquisitive: . It made me happy when I saw them constantly flying over Campbell. Go Nightstalkers! :army:

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That is a lot different you know. I have seen lots of odd aircraft parked in places where they shouldn't be and very odd aircraft flying around doing weird things…I even saw about a battalion of Marines supposed to be building a baseball field take a year to do it but never actually saw any work being done…just hummers parked in the woodline.

What the Government does or pretends to do is baffling and can cause a great deal of angst.

It is possible that now these things (UFOs) are black projects of the US government but I don't think the ones that showed up in Renaissance paintings were.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

I am most curious as to why it seems to be so forcefully ignored.

Do you think we might be someone else's science experiment?

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I think you just provided the answer to your own question. Because of the huge amount of speculation on the part of 'believers' (some of it outright stupid or paranoid) it becomes very tempting to dismiss both the entire UFO crowd and all of the registered observations as mass hysteria.

A UFO is just that: an unidentified flying object. If UFO-watchers were to respect this basic disctinction, stick to it and discard the stories about greens, grays and related (proven) hoaxes, they might be taken more seriously.

About those paintings:

There have been people educated in this art and its history, etc., who say that those "UFOs" depicted in paintings are merely "symbols" to symbolize divinity or something like that (but I forgot where it was). They say it has nothing to do with UFOs the way we think about them.

But then again.... it doesn't take a genius to figure out the shape of those things. Symbols or not: they certainly look like 'em.

(Btw, this link's got some nice stuff: http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art.shtml)

Makes me think... If they are used in these paintings to portray divinity, is it so that aliens are our "Gods"? :P

Vessels of angels, the Church, this and that, I just dunno.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

I think you just provided the answer to your own question. Because of the huge amount of speculation on the part of 'believers' (some of it outright stupid or paranoid) it becomes very tempting to dismiss both the entire UFO crowd and all of the registered observations as mass hysteria.

A UFO is just that: an unidentified flying object. If UFO-watchers were to respect this basic disctinction, stick to it and discard the stories about greens, grays and related (proven) hoaxes, they might be taken more seriously.

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I asked that from the stand point of our oldest religious texts and stories coming out of Summer.

The UFO thing was taken fairly seriously in the 1940s and early 1950s until governments began to sponsor debunking efforts. Making fun of something that you can't explain is a frequent small minded tactic.

Why should UFOs be discredited by fraud more than say archaeology which has had many hoaxes and frauds perpetrated, usually by scholars rather then a couple of easily detected photo frauds.

As to UFO watcher, they may be their own worst enemies, but there are radicals and extremists in practically every field of human endeavour.

I just wonder why most people believe in them but most are afraid to be tarred by the few who would explain everything as swamp gas and weather balloons. It isn't to hard to see that someone has a stake in people keeping their mouths shut.

There were mass sighting in the US in the 1950s to include the ones over the Whitehouse…and aircraft were scrambled…that is when the government decided that they didn't exist. I could care less what they are…I just get a little galled by them denying what they know to be true, and a bit by those so ready to except obvious lies.

Well the spike in "sightings" from the 40s and 50s is most clearly from the advancements in avation at the time. Those Germans brought back a lot of new technology. Along with the flying wing and an actual flying saucer that was built, a great many people had no idea what they were seeing.

I guess there was a big UFO (Air Ships) flap back in the 1880 & 1890s
I remember in the 1970 some town in Texas (which was named to the Historical Register) was celebrating some anniversary of a UFO crash there about that time. LOL one story went that the Army showed up and took what was left of the craft. I know it was said to have gotten wide spread newspaper coverage at the time…but I don't remember the name of the place


October 1969, Jimmy Carter said he saw a UFO. During his election campaign of 1976, he told reporters: “It was the darndest thing I’ve ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. … We watched it for 10 minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing’s for sure, I’ll never make fun of people who say they’ve seen unidentified objects in the sky.”


Ronald Reagan’s sighting occurred in 1974, when he was flying aboard a Cessna Citation as governor of California. He told the story to a Wall Street Journal reporter, and his pilot, Bull Paynter, provided additional details. What started out as a white light over Bakersfield, maybe several hundred yards away from the plane, began to “elongate” as it accelerated away at a 45-degree angle. According to Paynter, “The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed – instantly.”


There have been reports that Neil Armstrong and Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after their historic landing on the moon in Apollo 11 on July 21, 1969. Also, on a Science Channel show, Aldrin said that on the third day after leaving Earth – two days before the moon landing – the entire crew saw and filmed a UFO.


Maj. Gordon Cooper was one of the original Mercury astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963, during the last of his 22 orbits around the world, Cooper told the tracking station near Perth, Australia that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule.

John Lennon saw a UFO with his personal secretary, May Pang, in New York on Aug. 23, 1974. As Pang recounts in her book, the “large, circular object (was) coming towards us. It was shaped like a flattened cone and on top was a large, brilliant red light. … When it came a little closer, we could make out a row or circle of white lights that ran around the entire rim of the craft.”

In 1492, Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez, while on the deck of the Santa Maria , observed, “a light glimmering at a great distance.” It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down “in sudden and passing gleams.”


"In the year 22 of the 3rd month of winter, sixth hour of the day... the scribes of the House of Life found it was a circle of fire that was coming in the sky... It had no head, the breath of its mouth had a foul odor. Its body one rod long and one rod wide. It had no voice. Their hearts became confused through it; then they laid themselves on their bellies... they went to the Pharaoh... to report it. His Majesty ordered...
[an examination of] all which is written in the papyrus rolls of the House of life. His majesty was meditating upon what happened. Now after some days had passed, these things became more numerous in the skies than ever. They shone more in the sky than the brightness of the sun, and extended to the limits of four supports of the heavens... Powerful was the position of the fire circles. The army of the Pharaoh looked on with him in their midst. It was after supper. Thereupon, these fire circles ascended higher in the sky towards the south... The Pharaoh caused incense to be brought to make peace on the hearth... and what happened was ordered by the Pharaoh to be written in the annals of the House of life... so that it be remembered for ever."

"[216 B.C.] Things like ships were seen in the sky over Italy... At Arpi (180 Roman miles, east of Rome, in Apulia) a 'round shield' was seen in the sky... At Capua, the sky was all on fire, and one saw figures like ships...

[99 B.C.] When C. Murius and L. Valerius were consuls, in Tarquinia, there fell in different places... a thing like a flaming torch, and it came suddenly from the sky. Towards sunset, a round object like a globe, or round or circular shield took its path in the sky, from west to east.

[90 B.C.] In the territory of Spoletium (65 Roman miles north of Rome, in Umbria) a globe of fire, of golden colour, fell to the earth, gyrating. It then seemed to increase in size, rose from the earth, and ascended into the sky, where it obscured the disc of the sun, with its brilliance. It revolved towards the eastern quadrant of the sky.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

There were mass sighting in the US in the 1950s to include the ones over the Whitehouse…and aircraft were scrambled…that is when the government decided that they didn't exist.

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Well, there you go again - lots of empty claims instead of facts.

There were no 'mass sightings' of UFO's over the White House in 1952. There were unexplained radar blips at Andrews air base and a handful of people reported seeing fast-moving blue-ish or orange lights in the air. Harry Truman himself demanded to know what was going on. The Air Force's best efforts led to the 'temperature inversion' hypothesis: a layer of hot air in between two colder layers had diverted radar signals from objects on the ground, making them look like aircraft. It was a hot clear day, after all, and the phenomenon was known to radar personnel in the D.C. area.

Not entirely satisfying, you say? Then why don't you come up with a better explanation instead of suggesting some government conspiracy?

By the way, if you want to believe in a government conspiracy at all costs, I suggest you adopt the inverse conspiracy. It is clearly in the goverment's interest to encourage citizens to regard all sightings of military experiments, reconnaissance flights and other top-secret operations as UFO's.

Who'da thunk, eh? :mellow:

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Oh, and here is another nice one.

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Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Wellll, the entire population of MexicoCity witnessed UFOs a few years back, lots of video footage as I recall.

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The entire population? You mean there is some video footage of the July 11, 1991, solar eclipse above Mexico City showing what looked to some untrained observers as a 'spaceship'. In reality, it was Venus passing in front of the sun at the exact same moment as the moon. At magnitude -4.46, which made its image unusually clear and sharply defined. The Mexican astronomical community was delighted with the beautiful sighting of this planet above their capital.

But of course some of the footage has to be compiled into an idiotic video by a couple of greedy imbeciles -- Lee and Brit Elders to be precise, a pair who believe in conversations with the dead, stellar messages for mankind, and assorted nonsense -- and presented as 'undeniable evidence' of a UFO above MC.

Instead of asking why so many people deny the 'evidence', we should rather ask ourselves why so many people are prepared to believe such utter crap.

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And for good measure, here's your Roswell incident for you.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

October 1969, Jimmy Carter said he saw a UFO. During his election campaign of 1976, he told reporters: “It was the darndest thing I’ve ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. … We watched it for 10 minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing’s for sure, I’ll never make fun of people who say they’ve seen unidentified objects in the sky.”

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FYI, it was Venus. :wall: :dizzy2:

Adrian, out of curiousity I searched "MexicoCity UFO sightings" on Google. The incident I mentioned was on 24June05, not the 1991 sighting you alluded to.

Further, one of the curious things about trying to research some of the sightings is I can't access the films or pictures for many of them - except in the debunk files. Which also maybe because of my internet settings (security), but why then does it note that those depicting numerous sources of a said sighting (s) no longer exist or are no longer available?

fyi: http://www.ufoinfo.com/sightings/mexico.shtml

That pesky planet Venus has been very busy, in Mexico and else where..

http://www.rense.com

What was it Fox Mulder use to say? I want to believe? Maybe not, but with such a variety of "odd" balls from Astronauts to farmers tp Presidents claiming sightings of craft not accountable on our little planet .... one might consider keeping an open mind.

Still, when one does consider the time factor for such a craft to transverse space to reach this wee rock in the universe ... it does give one pause about the number of these sightings; and the why, wherefore, or reason for them.

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Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Maybe not, but with such a variety of "odd" balls from Astronauts to farmers tp Presidents claiming sightings of craft not accountable on our little planet .... one might consider keeping an open mind.

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You are right. Of course I ask myself these questions, too. Why do superior civilisations have to communicate through crop circles? Why do millions of astronomers who study the universe day and night never spot them, but thousands of drooling illiterates do? Or why is it that aliens always abduct, you know, really ugly people?
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