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I just completed a Takeda campaign at the normal level, and early on in the game scored two upset victories, when I thought I didn't have a chance. Both were defending against the Hojo clan. One was defending a small knoll with 310 men to 560. I had 2
SA and 4 YS units plus 10 each YS cav. I hid the cavalry in a woods on a lark. After expending my arrows, I attacked with all units.
I had forgotten the cavalry and bang, they hit the Hojo command unit square in the rear and killed the general almost at once. I used those 10 cav unit to mop up, and got a kill ratio of 220 heads for only 36 lost and all 10 cav. survived.
The other time I was defending a bridge with only 350 men against 900 + and somehow routed them. I once again had a few YS cav. and wiped out tons of stragglers. Got 300 kills to 74 lost.
I'm not trying to brag, but thought this might stimulate some posts about your best upset victory or kill ratio in a campaign. All war stories welcome.
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Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be vulgar brawl.
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Well I was playing a 3v3 with Elmark and Capefear. I got double teamed and I ended up having about 1000 kills with 300 losses. My 2 partners thought they liked the view so decided to set up a picnic and watch. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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DoragonPhoenix of the Clan Doragon
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ahhhh yes it was a fine view...a fine battle indeed...btw the last game i played before coming here an ally of mine got 700+ kills and 61 loses....lol........hmmmmm i have yet to see someone with over 2000+ kills in a 60 unit game. if there is such a person let them stand up here and be reconigised...as far as the ai is concerned i cant remember loosing to it in any battle (if i have like 2 units and get attacked by a hord i withdraw(campain mode)) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif i think it needs some serious help.
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You can't remember loosing a single battle? Mmmmmm.... bad memory perhaps? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
You can only learn from your mistakes, no-one is born with a knowledge of how to play STW to perfection!
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Like others have mentioned here I found the most obscene ratios I have observed is when you have some Yari Cav to run 'em down. I've got about 10:1 as opposed to around the usual 3:2 to 5:1 in the earlier battles.
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While defending Shinano against the (Every turn Hojo attack), I let my impetuous high honor No Dachi's, Monks & Yari Cav chase the fleeing Ashi's & Archers down then sat near where the reinforcements would file in. This was foolish as it turns out because the flood of fresh troops began pouring in shortly thereafter. My exhausted shock troops were horrifically mauled but managed to wait out the last of the reinforcements without routing. End head count: 2365 taken & 267 lost.
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I don't know if this was an upset or not. I was defending a bridge with 180 muskets and 30 or so ys. I got surprised with 2000+ various. I lost only 1 man and I think that was from friendly fire. I know defending a bridge is pretty easy but d@mn!!!
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some of you were here for the first time i posted this pic, just to exclaim about the cavalry kills. for those who didn't see it the first time:
http://solypsist.homestead.com/files/screen1.jpg
i forgot how the screenshot button functions so i had to settle for a camera shot. it was mostly archers and ashigaru i was up against, charging downhill into them, so the actual combat was no biggie, but this battle made me realize the importance of cavalry in running down fleeing troops.
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i think my best was in a custom battle when i took 2637 heads to my 850... not bad... if i may say so myself : )
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Chaos is born from order.
Cowardice is born from bravery.
Weakness is born from strength.
-Sun Tzu
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I am fairly new to STW playing second single player campaign as Imagawa, medium difficulty. I had early success with maintaining south after capturing 2 provinces from green (Buzan and river province) and holding. In west went on offensive campaign with my diamyo led army against Taekada, eventually killing the Taekada Diamyo in Kai. I had been keeping an eye on Oda and Uesegui in Shinano and planned rest and rebuild army in Kai. Wrong. I had built up small mixed force in Totomi which I agree is the worst to defend...5meter hills, 3 trees for a forest and no shovels. I had to defend Totomi from increasingly large armies from Shinano (hold Oda and Hojo at bay)each season for 2years (8X) with reinforcements from Hitzen and Mikawa while pumping out few reinforcements of home castle but nowhere near as fast as Uesegui. Final battle in Totomi, Uesegui came with 1500 odd, mostly archers, to my worn down, mixed, Ashi, samuri, archers and onehalf cav unit forces (but gaining honor with each encounter) of just under 650. I pulled all the way back to the SE (bottom right) heights http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif and waited in light rain (wishing for more). At about 1/4 of distance away from my lines, AI decided to change formation. I said what the heck there was a better way to die the just sit ther and wait, and charged all my army at an oblique angle catching him off guard. No real fight from AI, turned tail and ran north with little delaying actions because he never was able to get his troops back in formation. End of this round he had lost 892 to my 98 (wish I had thought of taking scrn shot of that littered field). The next season I entered Shinano with this Army and Diamyo army from Kai and took Shinano without a fight; Uesugi retreating to surrounding provinces. Saved/quit game to ponder now what?, sleep and oh yeah work. This game is addictive, love both levels of strategy. Esp. Battles http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.
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It is always a big upset when I win a game!!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Just ask my opponents. Yes Pheonix, the picnic was wonderful and it was a joy to watch a master at work!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Harima is so wonderful this time of year!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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With hordes, you always get very bloody battlefields... Especially if you think that, over all those years you spend whittling down that horde, it's the very same field. I'd think those guys would be stumbling on the masses of bones sticking out of the dirt after a few years. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
In my very first campaign that I still remember fondly, I attacked Echigô (or whatever it is, that bridge province North of Shinano), cleaned out the last Ikkô-Ikki WMs in a bloody bridge assault, and found that all the neighboring provinces except for the Uesugi-controlled (and allied) Shinano were covered with purple guys. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif The main elements of my armies were still in the process of mopping up the last Ikkô-Ikki in Kaga, so I was in big trouble.
A series of bridge defences ensued. I had a couple of SA (no guns yet), three high-honor ND and my daimyô. Hôjô first tried a smaller force, headed by one of his heirs, whom I promptly killed. He got PO'd by this, and the four next assaults were near-full stack Hordes. The pattern was always the same: I waited for him to cross the bridge, with SA firing non-stop, and then caught the partially crossed force by charging ND from every direction. I finally had to retreat before a fifth such attack (the ND had taken big casualties), but that sure was a bridge over troubled water... Needless to say, I took it back later, losing 200 WMs in the process. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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"Si j'étais né en 17 à Leidenstadt / Sur les ruines d'un champ de bataille / Aurais-je été meilleur ou pire que ces gens / Si j'avais été Allemand?"
- Jean-Jacques Goldman: Né en 17 à Leidenstadt
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Here are three most easily defended provinces in my opinion:
Awaji(I think thats the name,you know,that lil island between shikoku and the mainland)
Shinano
Mino
Awaji is my fav because the defense spot is like a fortress,but I get my best kill ratios from Mino and my best upsets from SHinano.Defence is the best offense for me,I lure my enemy into attacking me then wipe his army off the face of the earth and then advance over his land.
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"I maintain none the less that Yin-Tang Dualism can bo overcome.With sufficent enlightment,we can give substance to any distinction:Mind without body,north without south,pleasure without pain.Renember,enlightment is a function of will power,not of physical strength."-Shang-ji Yang,essays on mind and matter.
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Quote Especially if you think that, over all those years you spend whittling down that horde, it's the very same field. I'd think those guys would be stumbling on the masses of bones sticking out of the dirt after a few years. [/QUOTE]
And your men would, if the local peasants didn't clean up the lot!
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A bit ghoulish, but wonder if the harvests should be adjusted according to the casualties . . . lot's of mulch available there.
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I love it when an enemy routs in seconds after you attack them, due to your amazing maneuorving(?).
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Who remembers Shadowkill's 60 man Ashigaru unit with 257 kills. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/cool.gif
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Just finished the Expert level with the hojo clan. Oda attacked shinano with 3000+ to my 1000+. I hid in the trees to the right with 8 archers 3 warrior monks and the rest YS. Hehehehe, killed 1000+ for the lost of 78.
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wow! 257 kills for and ashigaru unit.... man, mine ususally rout before they are even in battle, usually while were are winning to.... wouldn't it calm these guys down to fight alongside samurai... wouldn't they be killed for fleeing??
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Chaos is born from order.
Cowardice is born from bravery.
Weakness is born from strength.
-Sun Tzu
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Cape, Amp got 2,154 kills in a game last night! We were playing 4vs4 and it was a huge upset match.
Amp's team had 2 drops, 1 right off the bat, and another half way through, that resulted in 2 of his teammates not making any kills. There was 1 drop right off on my side, and in the last quarter of the match another teammate disappeared.
This basically left me doing all the killing on my team because one of the other guys was a total newbie and he didn't know which side of the map to goto so he just ran around alot.
I routed and killed off 2 armies, but most of them ran away so I only had about 900+ kills. Meanwhile Amp destroyed 2 of my teammates, the 1st dropped guy and then the newbie. We then faced off with about the same amount of units.
Amp ended up camping on a perfect hill, on my starting side, on the attacker side, Harima, and was able to demoralize my army with scads of gunfire then several downhill charges by his men.
My army was too spread out so they ended up running shortly after engaging. Only about 17 of my guys made it off the field since Amp was blocking their exit.
We would have won the day if my other temamate hadn't split out of boredom while waiting for the newbie to get killed off. We were being fair and only taking on Amp one at a time, but the new guy took too long to make an attack.
Amp's got the record for # kills in 60 men per unit matches, I think. The other game rule that wasn't in effect was fatigue, so we were all capable of running through the whole match and only patience and tactics could win out on that map under those circumstances.
WTG Amp!
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The Daimyo
Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com
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WOW!!! since we are nameing names i posted eariler about my ally ....well it was amp also..lol that guy has all the fun. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif i belive this feat should be put in our hall of fame..any seconds?
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i have upset a fair few players now (especially die-hard clanners http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif ) but i don't think the amount of kills vs deaths is that important.
sure it makes up the main part of the game, but i find simple glorious victories just as exciting as huge all out warfare. my favourite battle ever was a 2 vs 2, vs Asterix and Obelix, ending in a face off with only one or two units surviving from each side till the end. it wasn't an upset for either side, but a very close battle, resulting in a loss i'm proud of.
the biggest upset i've ever made in my opinion though, was in a very low koku battle, when my waterlogged musketeers managed to break an enemy taisho monk unit whilst climbing uphill!
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Let the blood of the many out-weigh the blood of the few.
I am the blood of the few, let my sword show you the blood of the many.
TIGER LILY!!!
