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The link is to the the page with 1-10.
I find it nice that about 5 of them were designed by Microprose or Firaxis (ie Sid Meier's lot) because I am a real fan of his. I am not surprised that a Civ is #2, but quite surprised that it happens to be Civ IV, the most recent one. I agree though...
Nice to see RTW at #4...
I agree with X-com being the first. RTW the 4th ??? is it a joke ???
I miss doom2, Duke Dukem in the list and some other old games.
Not a bad list overall. My all time favorite only came in at number 3 though. :grin:
No Ultima 7. Boo! Hiss! etc.
I like the way they still lie about RTW's fantastic AI. They can stop doing that now everyone knows it's not all that.
Yeah, it's not bad but there's some "glaring omissions." :grin: U7 is missing, and of all things they put HL2 on the list instead of HL1. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...
Are you kiddding me? The game that ruined the TW community and the worst game in the TW series is #4?Quote:
Nice to see RTW at #4...
Where the hell is Operation Flashpoint?
Or BattleZone?
I was going to mention that HL1 versus HL2 thing, but weren't sure whether I was in the minority or not on that issue. Up until the Xen part of 1, it's about 10 times better in my opinion. The Xen part is about as much fun as most of HL2's sections, especially that awful end part. Did anyone really find spending... hang on, where's those spoiler tags..... ah here...Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Hmm, seems there's some intermittent probs with the spoiler tag. Oh well, at least I tried.
Doom was also a strange omission, seeing as it was a damn fine game and really got the multiplayer and first person shooter market going. No Monkey Island I/II either. Meanwhile, Sid Meier's Pirates and Fallout in there? Good games but top 25 of all time? Anyway, Fallout 2 trumps Fallout, even if it was the sequel.
No Top 25 list is going to be perfect though. It's just another chance for them to get some publicity as they know people like us will post elsewhere and bitterly complain like a bunch of old age pensioners moaning about how things are worse now than back in the war when we were still on rationing...
Ut.. ? (24!!)
Ofp.. ?
C&c.. ?
EDIT: To put capitals..
EDIT2: Eh.. I knew there was something wrong. Why can't I write UT in capital letters (same goes for OFP and C&C) up there?!!
Agree copmletely.Quote:
Originally Posted by professorspatula
OK, here I gotta disagree. :grin: Fallout was the original and had all the magical bits that made it so awesome. Fallout 2 when I played it, even with the official and a "fan patch", was so bug riddled that I couldn't keep doing it. Thankfully, there's a very complete fan-patch made by this "Bear Dude" guy over on nma-fallout.com, when I came back and played that about 6 mo. ago, it fixed almost all of my major complaints. Still though, it can't top FO1. :grin:Quote:
Sid Meier's Pirates and Fallout in there? Good games but top 25 of all time? Anyway, Fallout 2 trumps Fallout, even if it was the sequel.
Disclaimer: I never played FO1 and FO2 until about 2 years ago.
Modded +5 insightful. Any attempts at lists like these are just going to fall short, as it's all subjective anyway. The only areas that are arguably consistent are certain classics that people feel really did innovate in some shape or form. As several others have pointed out, there are many games that I agree should have made a list like this but didn't.Quote:
No Top 25 list is going to be perfect though. It's just another chance for them to get some publicity as they know people like us will post elsewhere and bitterly complain like a bunch of old age pensioners moaning about how things are worse now than back in the war when we were still on rationing...
:bow:
Edit - OK this is killing me. EVERY time I see your nick, I always think of that "SPATULA CITY!" advertisement from that UHF movie with Wierd Al. SPATULA CITY!! SPATULA CITY!!!
Heh, I'd never heard of that before. But I typed it into Google and found a Youtube link. Very funny. Although it's cheapened the appeal of my name now. How dare they make fun of a superstore dedicated to Spatulas. It's just a pity that place isn't real. I could do with a new spatula. The last one is I lodged up the bum of the neighbour's dog after it wouldn't stop barking for hours on end. It still barks, although it walks rather uncomfortably.
Your mistaken there. RTW is the best game in the TW series. Maybe not number 4 on a best of all time (which I disagree with in principle as they are always making more games) list, I'd rank it at 9 or 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Why would a best of list have one of the worst games ever made included. It's bad enough they included that turd Deus Ex.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Mark
:laugh4: Not a lie at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by professorspatula
*insert "BURNED AT THE STAKE!!!" speech clip from Ghostbusters 2 here* :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
They both sucked big time.
Junk.
No Shogun - Total War, no Medieval - Total War, no Half-Life only the second one, not a single Quake game, the original UT?, no Doom I/II. Baldur's Gate II instead of Baldur's Gate I, no Ultima 7. RTW at no. 4, which, though RTW is better than many of the games in that list (because it's a TW game after all), it's not the best in the TW series by a long shot. No sign of the Thief series, which though System Shock 2 was a brilliant game Thief was the original game to use the Dark engine. The only ones I agree with are TIE Fighter, which is arguably the best space combat sim of all time, and Mechwarrior 2.
It did not ruin the Total War community. Maybe it ruined YOUR Total War community, but overall it was double, triple times more popular than STW and MTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
No Doom ? That game redefined PC gaming and gaming as a whole !
Also, no Worms ? :furious3:
I was just reading the criteria doc. The three guys involved each brough a list of about 30 games each and then they all winowed it down to 25 they all agreed on. They also state with series that they put the one they though was better into the list.
Did someone say OFP sucked "big time"!!!!
Everyone should've had Doom in their top 3 ...
And thus that is simply all it is. A list made by 3 guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
True, but they got payed for it, so I feel I'm entitled to complain :afro:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whacker
Hey you're entitled to your opinion on anything my friend... Though I do agree, my main beef with stuff like this is that these folks present this in some form to make it seem 'authoratative'.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I did, and I stand by that 100%. One of the worst games I've ever played. Right down there with Deus Ex.Quote:
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
Relative popularity. One would hope that the newer titles would be more popular than previous ones. For example, STW had an initial consumer base that, for the most part, migrated on to MTW. MTW then picked up a new consumer base of it's own. The combined STW/MTW consumer base then migrated on to RTW - then deserted it in droves. This was the point when TW basically factionalised into two major camps. STW/MTW and RTW. Many of the STW/MTW consumer base migrated on to RTW and RTW gained it's own new consumer base from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by diablodelmar
Basically it breaks down like this in the slightly unhinged speak, using the worst analogy possible:
Movements of the TW peoples:
STWARI: The "original ones", made up of an elite of Othergamari. They abandoned their peoples the AOEARI, FPSARI and RTSARI and made the westward journey. They became almost completely merged into the MTWARI and do not come into this tale again. Many of their number joined the MPARI.
MTWARI: Many of the STWARI and Othergamari, make up these "proud ones". Many of their number also joined the MPARI.
RTWARI: The "determined ones". Many Othergamari and some of the MTWARI, though not all. Many at this stage forsook the journey and remained among their own kind. The era of the RTWARI also saw the MPARI drastically decline.
M2TWARI: Not really a separate people as yet as the journey has only begun. Made up of the MTWARI, RTWARI and Othergamari, though many of both have forsaken the journey already the plan to return to it in better times.
:beam:
//grabs coat
I'm going to start playing your 'worst' games and avoid those you think are the best like the plague.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
Caravel, your post reads like the entrance to an Orson Scott Card novel...
Crazed Rabbit
EDIT: Of course, having RTW in there at all and no other TW is complete and utter crap.
Not a bad list: X-Com1 is an amazing game, still holds up today. What is doublyamazing is that no one has improved on it or at least successfully cloned it.
CivIV is the best version of a series oozing historical flavour and compelling gameplay.
BG2 and FO still set the standard for CRPGs. I agree with the comment about FO2 being better - it seems twice as big (and therefore twice as good).
RTW - well, it's certainly got potential - as RTR, EB and M2TW show. If ten or 15 years ago someone had told me a game like RTW was possible, I would not have believed them. There is a "wow!" factor about fighting a big battle with such amazing graphics; let alone the whole strategic layer added on top.
The other ones on the list I have not played; but to agree with 5/10 of the picks is quite surprising.
:hippie: :loveg: :daisy:
(Peace, love, happiness)
These lists always cause disagreement. One man's literature is another's toilet paper. In the interests of preserving the arena's decor, please try to phrase your various cries of "What!? Game X is on the list!? Rubbish!" to a format which won't be taken as insults to those who do like them. Cleaning up blood is murder on my kimono, and you don't want me sending you a bill for a new portcullis. :yes:
That list is total schlock in my view, as Gamespy/IGN lists always are.
Most of the top PC games of all time are not even on it, whilst some very horrible games are.
In the spirit of Frogbeast's post above, i would love to what about Deus Ex turned you off so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
I can understand OFP as it was an acquired taste and being ex-military the infantry experience authenticity really got me into it...