Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Using the numbers at Gaugamela and Hydaspes river along with a small amount of tweaking, here is an approximation of the forces that could possibly have been found at Ipsus:
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Antigonid
Infantry
Phalanx - 21,000
Hypaspists - 3,000
Pheraspidai - 3,000
Light troops - 15,570
Mercenaries - 15,570
Allied troops - 11,500
Cavalry
Heavy - 4,200*
Medium - 2,400
Light - 3,400
Elephants - 75
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Allied forces under the command of Seleucus
Infantry
Phalanx - 17,600
Hypaspists - 3,000
Pheraspidai - 3,000
Light Troops - 29,240**
Mercenaries - 9,300
Indeterminate, possibly allies - 1,800
Cavalry
Heavy - 2,100*
Medium - 3,200
Light - 5,200
Elephants - 400
* Due to the difficulty of employing heavy cavalry they do not figure directly into my math. Half of the Antigonid heavy cavalry will be Thessalians; the other will be Hetairoi with armor bonuses to represent the shield they would have carried. The Seleucid Hetairoi will have weapon bonuses to represent the use of the kontos instead of the Antigonid xyston. This may extend to other cavalry using the kontos.
** The massive number light troops is due to the 20,000 contingent that Seleucus brought with him. It seems that one of the major factors of the battle was Seleucus's calm use of light troops to harass and demoralize the Antigonid phalanx.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
There will be two versions of this battle. The first will be a ratio of 25:1, which is for the more powerful computers out there. The second will be 40:1 so that those without powerful PCs can play this with less hassle.
Antigonid Forces
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Antigonus
1 Somatophylakes Strategou (40)
Infantry
1 Argyraspidai (240)
3 Pezhetairoi (240)
1 Hypaspistai (120)
1 Pheraspidai (120)
Lights
2 Toxotai Syriakoi (120)
1 Sphendonetai (120)
1 Peltastai (160)
1 Toxotai Kretikoi (110)
Allied Greeks
2 Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi (115)
2 Hoplitai (115)
Mercs
1 Peltastai (160)
1 Thraikoi Peltastai (160)
2 Misthophoroi Hoplitai (155)
Demetrius
1 Somatophylakes Strategou (40)
Cavalry
1 Hippeis Thessalikoi (88)
1 Prodromoi (96)
2 Thraikioi Hippeis (68)
2 Elephantes Indikoi (6[18] and 7[21])
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
A little more tweaking to the numbers, but nothing offensive to sensibilities.
Allied Forces
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Seleucus
1 Somatophylakes Strategou
Infantry
3 Pezhetairoi (234, 234, 236)
1 Hypaspistai (120)
1 Pheraspidai (120)
Lights
3 Peltastai (148)
2 Kavakaza Kofyaren (200)
2 Thanvara Payahdag (100)
1 Artish Pada (200)
Cavalry
1 Daha Baexdzhyntae (100)
5 Elephantes Indikoi (11[33])
Antiochus
1 Somatophylakes Strategoi
Mercs
2 Misthophoroi Hoplitai (124)
1 Misthophoroi Peltastai (124)
Cavalry
1 Mada Nizhak Asabara (100)
2 Mada Asabara (70)
1 Elephantes Indikoi (12[36])
1 Chariots (5)
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Not sure about where to station those pheraspidai in relation to the rest of the troops abou. Wish I could be more help here, but surely some other folks would know that better than I.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
When you say misthophoroi hoplitai, do you mean the ones with the thureoi? Because I'd shy away from using any of those troops at this early a date. I think the misthophoroi hoplitai are the only units on your lists to which this concern would apply, so not too big a deal. Good luck setting it up, it would be a fun battle to have.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Well, as long as no one objects I'll just put them to the left of the phalanx. Plus, I think this works well for the descriptions for the Hypaspists and Pheraspidai as having fought themselves in the first years of the Diodachi comflicts.
@ Paullus
Don't worry. By Misthophoroi Hoplitai I mean actual mercenary hoplites, not Thureophoroi. At the early stages of planning the battle I was tempted, but realized that it was definitely too early for those units to be used.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
You know, it is interesting when reading the description of the battle because I have come to the conclusion that instead of deploying mercenaries and allied troops behind the phalanx as Alexander would or even on the sides, it seems as Antigonus positioned them in front of the phalanx. This would do two things - the first of which is to protect the Antigonid elephants and the second would be to counter the Seleucid elephants, which appear to have actually been busy preventing the return of Demetrius. The consequence is that there were no troops to protect the rear of the now vulnerable phalanx, which was then harassed by Seleucus's skirmishers. If this wasn't the case, then I have no idea how Seleucus would have managed to slip his skirmishers around the unprotected flanks of the phalanx.
I think it also seems as though there weren't any elephants screening the cavalry on Seleucus's left flank. Although Bar-Kochva states that Demetrius circumvented the elephants, I can't help but think this would be a bit too difficult and therefore undermine what appears to be a major portion of Seleucus's strategy. My opinion is that the cavalry was left intentionally exposed so as to appear to be an easily exploitable mistake for Demetrius, who would then find himself prevented from returning by the elephants.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Here is a beta of the battle. Let me know what you guys think and how it flows - especially if it is too easy due to the massive amount of elephants.
25:1 Battle of Ipsus
40:1 Battle of Ipsus
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
It would not say too easy. Lost, bad. Probably because I misused my elephants, was somewhat over-confident. Fun battle. Used the 25:1 version.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
I've just played this battle. Excellent work, abou, I enjoyed it very much. Managed to win a clear victory on medium with the 25:1 game.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
I am a newbie, could someone tell me how to install and play it please
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
You must download the zip file and extract them in
\EB\Data\world\maps\battle\custom
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
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Originally Posted by Eduorius
You must download the zip file and extract them in
\EB\Data\world\maps\battle\custom
I don't have the file "battle" when i open "maps" i go straight into "custom"
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
bovi, i don't know what you mean
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Extract into \EB\Data\world\maps\battle\custom and \EB\Data\world\maps\custom :shrug:. One of them should work, I guess. But I think Eduorius knows where they're supposed to be.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
I don't have the battle folder, thats why i doesn't work, would creating another work?
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
I did it and it worked, thanks guys
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Sorry to post three times in a row,
I thought of Ipsus as a great clash of hellenic heavy cavalry but on this battle there is very little
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Not really. It was a trap set up by Seleukos and Antiochos to draw away the Antigonid heavy cavalry. Antiochos feigned a retreat drawing Demetrios into the valley. Seleukos' elephants then closed the valley.
Other than that, we don't have the nitty gritty details of the battle.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
a good battle. i've loosed slightly just because i set up a reserve of light infantry that had to run a lot to get in the core of the battle - and then get crashed by what remained of enemy phalanxes and cavalry :(
an error that will never occurr again.
Re: Battle of Ipsus - 301 BC
Well, it is cool that you had a hard time with it, and glad that you enjoyed it. The same for the other players out there. Another battle that you guys should have trouble with will be Antiochos III's fight against Molon - another battle with a reserve line that seems to have proven critical to Antiochos' victory.