Who do you think are the 10 best generals of a ancient times??please put them from best to worst:help:
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Who do you think are the 10 best generals of a ancient times??please put them from best to worst:help:
Sun Tzu should be in there
brb with the rest
My top 10 are:
Sun Tzu, Hannibal, Caesar, Qin Shi Huang, Marius, Alexander,
Pericles of Athens, Themistocles of Athens, Surena of Parthia, Cincinnatus or Pyhrus...
Hanibal, Phyros and Alexander are up there (you know your great when 2300 years after you died people on the other side of the world know who you are by just using your first name).
1. Megas Alexandros
2. Hannibal Barca
3. G. Julius Caesar
4. Arminius the Cheruskian
5. C. Pompeius Magnus
6. Phyrros Aiakides
Qin Shi Huang is not a general.
Try Bai Qi, Wang Jian and Li Mu and Lian Po...
Qing Shi Huang is the Emperor, he had to count on Bai Qi and Wang Jian to fight his battles...
Li Mu is the general for Zhao Kingdom as is Lian Po.
It might be me, but I dont' think 36 strats are by Sun Tzu.
Sun Tzu is a strategist, not really a general per se.
Another great Strategist is Zhang Liang, aka Zhang Zifang
Perhaps you heard of the saying: He has his Zhang Liang strat, I have my wall climbing ladder
1. Xiang Yu
2. Scipio Africanus
3. Julius Caesar
4. Pompey
5. Lian Po
7. Huang Feihu
8. Li Jing
9. Gn. Pompey Magnus
10. Mithridates
Hannibal & Alexander should definately be 2 of the top 10
Julius Caesar? Please. He'd be at the top 10 politicians though.
The title doesnt says 5BC until Julian (around 350 A.D.)
That makes the option smaller to guys like Agrippa, Germanicus, Titus, Arminius, Shapor, etc.
In ancient times, politicians are generals are politicians...
Theese two are the very same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMu
1º) Megas Alexandros. (Undisputably first... and period.)
2º) Hannibal Barca (Undisputable second)
3º) Phyrros Aiakides (many writers said that he was the most brilliant military mind since Alexandros... and they were probably right)
4º) Scipio Africanus (the man that broke down carthaginean power at it`s height)
5º) Hasdrubal Barca (He defeated the romans in every fight they made, and conquered a huge bite of Iberia)
6º) Lysandros of Sparta (A spartan defeats the athenians on the sea???)
7º) Julius Caesar. (he was a product of his own propaganda, but let`s face it... he standed up to pretty dire situations in gaul and he wasn´t killed there. More, he triumphed in every circumstance)
8º) Atilla the Hun. (defeated both Roman empires, but with that correlation of forces, anyone of the prior generals would have changed the name from "Roman Empire" to "Hunnic Empire")
9º) Favius Aetius. (stopped an enormous juggernauth heading straight to conquering gaul... that deserves a reckoning)
10º) ME. After playing so much time on EB, I would kick the ass of all those MTF... :grin:
Cheers. :rtwyes:
Hannibal himself admitted that he thought Pyrrhos was the greatest general in Antiquity, before Scipio and himself:Quote:
Originally Posted by k_raso
My own line:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plutarch
1./Pyrrhos Aeakides
2./Hannibal Barca
3./Megas Alexandros
4./Scipio Africanus
5./k_raso (totally convinced by your arguments) :grin:
1) Hannibal Barcas. No comment needed, I think
2) Pyrrhos Aikaides. I like people who nearly crushed Rome, and he was brilliant indeed.
3) Seleucos Nikator. Wondering why nobody listed him before...
4) Megas Alexandros. I have put him here because the end of his life was not very "Megas", killing his friends as an insane paranoid shadow of what he once was
5) Hamilcar Barcas.
So, even at theend of it he wqas a great general?Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus Seleukeia
It's not the nicest person we are looking for, but the best general, just because he went crazt before he died doesn't make his previos feets any less.
k_raso is definitely up there in the top 10.
Indeed they were. Some of them were even farmers too, but that doesn't make them the best farmers in world now does it? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DMu
Country Bumpkin: This man pays too much attention in the streets to the teeth of mules: -1 influence; +1 farming income :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
1. hannibal barce
2. alexander the great although he had a perfect army V persians
3. Scipio Africanus
4. cyrus the great
5. Julius Caesar
I need to read up on everyone else but that so far
Just to second:
Which means that some of my all time favourites were ruled out. Ah, and for more information on the emperor that gave China it's name, you [not being a historian, although interested] could consider reading Le grand empereur et ses automates written by Jean Levi. It is not actual history, rather a novel which aims to portray a person in history, using both primary and secondary sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduorius
Phyross defeats Rome in some engagements when Rome was not as powerful.
Rome wasnt as powerful as we all thought. Besides there wasnt generals after Hannibal he could've chosen so he went with someone who wipped the Romans (Hannibal hated Romans).
Hannibal launched suprises on the enemy and uses elephants and wins over not too strategical generals, and everyone hails him as a heathen God. seriuosly him #1???
@Cossack, Hannibal's enemies weren't particularly incompetent and elephants were not used in Cannae, nor in many other battles he fought; Hannibal used complete innovation, which resulted in victories against odds considered impossible. I sincerely doubt that any one of us would have either anticipated Hannibal's tactics, or have thought of them in his situation.
Lake Trasieme - Considered the greatest ambush of all times.
Cannae - Hannibal smashed the legions of Rome
Is not only winning battles what we admire of Hannibal, but being 10 years or more in enemy territory without supply lines or receiving substantial reinforcements from Africa or Spain.
With ambush tactics! AMBUSH!
Of course that was like the only option for victory but he lost 1 on 1 WITH elephants against Scipio.
Greatest commander of all time? maybe not THE greatest. probably greatest ambusher.
1. Megas Alexandros- Brought one of the greatest empires in the ancient world to its Knees and united Greece.
2. Hannibal Barca- Nearly Destroyed the city of Roma if it hadn't of been for the razing of carthage.
3. Scipio Africanus- Defeated the Carthaginians in one of romes most desperate hours.
4. Pyrros Aikaides- Even though he lost he was still a great general.
5. Vercingetorix- Imagine what gaul would have been if he had defeeated Julius Caesar.
6. Julius Caesar-Defeated Pompey and the Gauls
7. Sun Tzu- What more can be said
8. Hasdrubal Barca- Like he
9. Cyrus the Great
10. Flavius Aetius
The order in which I have put these men has nothing to do with their command abilities or my views about them. They were all great men for their time. I think they all deserve respect
Cannae wasn't an ambush, that was an envelopment, and used a strategy that is still taught today to win despite odds considered impossible, an achievement I doubt any other generals can match.
Having elephants doesn't make you a worse general. At Zama, the Numidians had (IIRC) joined the Romans, and Hannibal had a mostly green and unprepared force through no fault of his own. The Romans thus had superiority in at least some respects for the battle.
Scipio also used ambush tactics to defeat the Carthaginian cavalry in Spain. Using ambush tactics isn't a problem with your generalship.
(Just a note: I place Robert Guiscard at #1 all-time, but Hannibal and Scipio jointly in the time frame being discussed[not the one originally intended].)
Flavius lived well after 5 BC but definitly a good pick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman25
As for vercingetorix the Roman would've kept coming, and he defeated julius once.
No offence im not opposed to your list:sweatdrop: :2thumbsup:
The battle of zama was considered impossible, still couldn't pull it of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Orb
(ok I know hes good what I said above was a last ditch response:2thumbsup:) I just cant say there (or he) is THE best general.
Whos Robert Guiscard?
Well, Hannibal never had the necessary seige weapons to take Rome. That was one of the reasons he wandered around ravaging the country side instead of attacking Rome itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman25