Truce? Huh?!? News to me....

This happened to me twice last night.

I'm forced into war by aggressive christians despite my peace loving Turkish credentials (well I've been trying for the last 40 turns anyway - now got 4 vassals, at least 2 allies each turn and never start a war).

Outraged I try to teach them a lesson, sending armies to crush them.

New turn occurs and...I'm told I've declared a truce!! I haven't had a ceasefire offer to reject, just forced into peace.

The only thing I can think (patch 1.2. official) is that they've signed a ceasfire with one of my vassals, who has declared war inoutrage also,which then means me too.

I'm not sure, as I didn't pay enough attention to what my vassals did dipomatically, but that's the only thing I can think of.

It would mean diplomacy working much better now (even if sometimes annoyingly)

Anyone else had this?

Your enemy might also have allied with one of your allies, a move us player can't pull off but the AI can, and which shoves peace down your throat (not only that, but if you re-declare war, you risk losing your ally...)

Sorry wasn't clear - It wasn't that. I checked and they're not allied to any of mine (even 1 removed, allied to an ally of an ally).

However I can't tell, as it dismissed screen too fast, whether they made peace with an ally and thus with me or whether my ally made peace because I did.

Didn't you know the game is called Medieval 2 Total Peace :inquisitive:

This has happened to me too a couple of times and I have never had a vassal.

It must be the AI's cunning plan to lead you into a false sense of security - before it delivers a surprise attack.

Weeeell... If you're like me and usually skip the by-turn global diplomacy screen, this scenario could have happened :

- you hit end turn
- faction A (either your enemy or vassal, most probably your enemy) turn starts.
- faction A sends a diplomat to faction B, negotiates alliance
- faction A ends turn
- faction B turn starts
- faction B does something aggressive/stupid/random which causes said alliance to be voided (assassin, invasion or blockade, failed diplomacy, bribe, attack on faction C which is allied with faction A, Venus in Libra announcing the dawn of the Age of Aquarius...)
- your turn starts, you skim through the messages, make a move against your enemy and notice through the "attack neutral faction yes/no ?" window that you're in an unexpected truce. You check the diplo screen, but no alliance is listed between A and B.
- You're puzzled, and post here :sweatdrop:

Unlikely and/or coincidental series of occurences, but anything that can happen is bound to happen sometimes, no ?

I had the almost exact same thing happen in my last English campaign and I never did figure out why. I will say now that in my new Byz campaign, I'm starting to realize more and more what the people who have been railing about diplomacy are basing their opinions on; it's pretty shallow. There are a large number of missing options that we should have, and a number of mechanics like the above which are simply foisted on the player with no option or recourse otherwise. Sure the tactical battles are arguably the core of what the total war series is, but the strategy map part definitely needs to keep up. Let's hope some of this is fixed/changed in an upcoming patch, the expansion, or at the worst in the next title.

And then a Crusade...

Damnit.

:wall:

Miserable sneaky pope calls a Crusade on Constantinople (just cos I kicked his paltry popey butt when he insisted an attacking me. Twice.)...

Venice and Poland break vassalage. And as they have around 8 cities each, because I kept giving them to them, it's going to be a pain getting it back.

Spain and Scotland (allied for 79 turns!) break alliance.

Onthe up side Moors want peace now, so in one turn my allies and enemies have turned 180 degrees (except mongols and russians, still loyal slav..I mean serva...I mean honoured allies)

*sigh*

It would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact I'm sending 6 full stacks to America. And now all the baghrahs have to pass the fleets of spain. Because of that it's merely annoying.


(P.s. Not complaining that AI is broken. In fact it makes perfect sense playing a muslim faction that the one thing stronger than all your bribes and alllainces is the holy crusade or Jihad. just annoying for my attempts at peaceful strategy as the saracen conqueror of europe :beam: )

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Originally Posted by Kobal2fr

Your enemy might also have allied with one of your allies, a move us player can't pull off but the AI can, and which shoves peace down your throat (not only that, but if you re-declare war, you risk losing your ally...)

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I made a Hungarian princess marry my hier and did get Milan to auto-ceasefire with me. Made the HRE ask for allying me the same turn. :2thumbsup:
That Milan attacked me the turn after forcing them to break the alliance with Milan was even better. :2thumbsup:

That the Moors, Portugal, Milan, France and Venice are finding a ceasefire worth about half my empire is another matter though (playing as Spain)... :wall: