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OOC: This is The Parliment for the English PBM Game Eye of the Eagle (EotE)
This is where the electors pass laws for the Kingdom of England.
Propose them then vote yes or no. Discuss problems and England, battles to be fought and other.
IC: Welcome to the Parliment, located in London. Please feel free to discuss laws and army movements, and all to do with running the country.
Laurence Blidell, Elector of Wellington, speaks:
Law 1.1 - England should use all resources necessary to capture Rennes and Bruges in an attempt to limit French expansion. This law is limited to acts that would put England's wealth in the red.
Emissary Blidell sits down.
Robert stands
Hm, but why spare money and armies on such small targets? Why don't we go for the bigger targets?
I suggest we send the current spare army near Caen, to move forward and attack THe French capital of Paris, or Angers at least.
Or maybe we shoud try to focus more on the isles, what about The Welsh, should we take their capital?
Robert sits
caernervon is a definite necessity, but we should convert it to a city.
Law 1.2 - England shall attempt to conquer Caernervon and convert it to a city to boost the Isles' economy.
I shall second Law 1.2.
My friends, I too agree we should take Caernervon, not only will it boost our lands wealth, but it also shall show the world we are not weak, that we are strong!
Removed.
I support Law 1.2
Robert stands
We face many problems, fellow electors. We have the rebel settlements of Bruges and Rennes, which could give the French, if they capture it, a three way attack on our good city of Caen.
The scottish might attack York at any moment, if we lose York, we lose the capital of a Duchy.
Then theres The Welsh, right now they don't propose a threat, but if we take out their capital, we can hop on boats and cross the channel and take Ireland! A good oppurtunity into Scotland!
I also propose that King William leads the army, or maybe Henry when he comes of age...?
Robert sits
If Henry attacks the Welsh he's for one unexperienced though I'm sure he has been trained in military tactics.
King William is an experienced general with many battles under his belt. Though he is getting up in age. Do we really want expend our King on taking a settlement that could be taken by someone else?
I'm currently slightly in favor of King William leading the assualt, but Henry would also be a good choice.
Bidell speaks
I propose that Henry lead the assault as William is aging and will die before Caernervon can be stabilized.
It depends how skilled in battle henry will be i would say henry or rufus whichever is more experienced
also we need to send a diplomat to the pope a couple hundred florins a turn for 100 turns= happy pope and no stopping between wars
Nara rises:
My fellow electors England has many tough years ahead, that is true. What we need is a solid plan for the future, now and in years to come. Therefore I wish to make several suggestions as to what should be done now, what can wait, and what we shouldn't worry about.
First and foremost, we should bring the entirety of England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. Or at least the first three. I believe we should do this as a way to help protect England. Do we really want to take the chance of someone else coming and setting up in England? I think not. This might mean losing Caen, but we should be ready to make some sacrifices to make our lands safer.
Second, we should do what we can to bring his holiness to our side, possibly giving him a donation, as was suggested, though only if we can afford to do so.
Third: We must try to keep the French from expanding, or for the very least keep them from attacking us for a few years, by swallowing our pride, and asking for an alliance. This, hopefully, will give us the time to at least secure all of England, and then get ready to deal with the French. I also suggest that we try to get the French at war with the Holy Roman Emperor, this will most likely slow their expansion, and leave both weak for later.
Fourt: We must assert ourselves on the mainland, not just as a way to slow the French, but to show the rest of the world, we English are not weak, and can be just as good or even better then they are.
Alternatively we skip the first two parts, and try to subdue French expansion, but I would highly advise against this course of action. If we get bogged down in the mainland, and have to spend most of our monies there, then we could and will run out of money. This will then make us even weaker, which will be taken advantage of.
My fellow electors, we have several recourses we can take, I suggest we at least try to unify England. And if it is possible we should also try to slow French expansion.
Robert stands
I fully agree with all points proposed Nara. Especially 1 and 2. We should be united before we scale the wall of Europe.
Also just a reminder.
If anyone wishes to be Chancellor (OOC: See OOC thread) then please say you wish to run for the position.
Or the King may excersise his power and take the position automaticlly?
Robert sits
Laurence Bidell rises:
I agree with nara as well. I propose, in order to slow the French, we donate monies to the Holy Roman Empire in order to increase their expansion - even form an alliance with them - we must protect ourselves against our certain enemies.
However, I disagree with the plan of risking Caen and our foothold on mainland Europe, especially with Law 1.1 in effect expanding our reach to Rennes and Bruges. Especially we should focus on Bruges, as it is in a prime place to be a trading hub and deny the Dutch extra territory.
A aide coughs,and speaks aloud
It seems no one wishes to go for chancellor?...
As chancellor you are the one who runs the country for your term...?
I'll take the first Chancellorship then. I was under the impression that the King got the first term.
i agree with nara. I think we shoud unit the isles first but if we see an easy rebel target on the mainland to take it.
Nevermind I can't take the Chancellorship right now too busy. Maybe in a couple of weeks. I've got exams and then my family's going on vacation.
Strange i'm going on holiday then i've got exams
out of character: i believe this thread is for in-character discussion only
El Diablo stands:
"You all stand there talking of a great England and yet look at us. We have few provinces and an even poorer army. We are ENGLISH and therefore we CAN be mighty but to do so we must be smarter than those barbarian Scots to the north and the trecherous Welsh to the West. We do not have the resources to fight on two fronts and therefore we must secure one. I say play for time with the French. Let them build up there towns and provinces. All the less work for Englishmen to do when we take if from them. The French will pay for there past crimes against the crown but let them wait. I do not condone an alliance with these sub-human monsters as they will undoubted betray us. I say we should remain able to destroy them when we want and on our terms.
I say crush the Scots, Welsh and Irish. Teach them how great it is to bask in the glow of being English and serving our king. Then once our true homelands are returned to us we can concentrate on extracting revenge on the French.
But to leave our lands on Caen blind is absolute folly. Watch towers and even spies are required so that any movements by the French can be monitered till it is time for them to meet to be crushed.
Second Elector of York stands
I agree with the previous statements. We must first unite the isle, but we cannot just hand over Caen to the French. I have seen the defences at Caen and with the proper garrison they can withstand any French attack. We must keep Caen if we do it would make invading the rich Frenchman's lands less of a hassle, since we will have a base to organize our forces when they arrive on the mainland.
Nara rises.
My fellow electors, I see we have an agreeance amongst us. We must unite the Isles, while preserving Caen for an attack into French lands. Don't let my earlier words about Caen mislead you. Though it would be a sad day, we must be willing to accept that as we unite the Isles, we could end up losing Caen as we put more money to the Isle.
Now my fellow's I suggest we leave Caen with a good enough garrison so as to beat off the French. The force shouldn't be all too big, or we will never be able to launch successful attacks into Wales or Scotland or Ireland. But it shouldn't be so samll that a group peasants could have half a chance to take it.
I still say we should give donations to the Pope, so as to be on better grounds with him, and to ally ourselves with the Holy Roman Emperor. We, could then use the emperor as a means to keep the French busy, and let us take the Isle, and areas arround Caen with just a bit less of rush.