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Does the War on Iraq kill more terrorists than it creates?
I've been listening to a lot of expert commentary lately and the consensus is usually that the War on Iraq is a gift to Osama Bin Laden so good that he never could have dreamed of getting such a great gift. The War on Iraq is exactly what Bin Laden wanted and even better than what he thought he could get. They say that the War on Iraq enrages otherwise peaceful Muslims to become terrorists and boost the number of terrorists fighting against the occupation and puppet government forces in Iraq and also creates terrorists worldwide out of people that would not otherwise be terrorists.
What do you think?
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If that is so it is also a gift to those fighting them, they simply cannot go somewhere else without looking rediculous. Can't fight them like this at home. I'd say that we are both fighting a pretty pointless war, we can't win and they can't win, Bin Laden is probably as welcome as the inquisisition.
ps, doubt that Bin Laden is the invisible hand under iraq's skirt, it's just chaos.
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The point is that Bin Laden wanted to draw the US into a never-ending war with Muslims and he has succeeded in doing that, even though he expected it to be in Afghanistan, and not receive the gift of the War on Iraq.
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Nah he failed, 9/11 was supposed to be a starting sign, and he didn't get the response he wanted. Maybe he should have hired the mcDonalds pr-team instead .People are killed by these nutjobs every day there, not the best way to gain popular support. The real battlefield is Europe.
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Of course it creates more than it kills.
If half your family is dead and half is starving, and someone offers you money to shoot a couple of mortars at what you see as godless pork-eating barbarian invaders, youre surely going to do it. Low risk, religious benefit, and the hard facts of getting cash to feed your family. Even if you were a dentist before the war, now youre a so-called "terrorist". I'd do it to, and so would you.
Wake up, America.
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Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Wake up, America.
Isn't america that's killing them, and besides, if America wants to kill as many muslims as we euro's did they have a long way to go. In the fifties Holland killed over a 100.000 people in indonesia (some say much more), France has been pretty nasty in Algeria, England in Egypt, so why didn't it take place here? Simply because America is the big fish and attacking it has the greatest psychological impact. It were the muslims in europe that were supposed to be rallied I think, no shortage in human recource after all, an attack on europe that took place in the states if you will.
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Isn't america that's killing them.
Are you smoking crack? :dizzy2: Maybe that came out wrong, but are you saying Americans are not killing Iraqis? With at least 74,000 dead as a result of the war, I'd certainly say we are..
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The way I see it is this. Bin Laden is never going to make headway with our muslims or minorites ever ever ever. So we can either keep fighting or we can be civil and come to the table no matter how much some of yall want admit it we will eventually come to the table. It may be a year 5 years or 10 years down the road. Peace is inventable and the sad part is it will just be back to the status quo. I'd be more scared if I was a European apathy and a low birth rate are never good.
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Hm, have you looked at the recent polls of American Muslims?
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Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Are you smoking crack? :dizzy2: Maybe that came out wrong, but are you saying Americans are not killing Iraqis? With at least 74,000 dead as a result of the war, I'd certainly say we are..
Well yeah, but the bulk gets spread out by the likes of uncle bin and his bubba's. You know, these big explosions at markets and such you keep hearing about.
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Oh, I've lived through a couple not just heard about them. Are they not a direct result of our aggression into Iraq? You really think "bin-laden" would be blowing up his own people if we werent there? We've killed thousands of civilians ourselves, you know.. smart-weapons aren't. Young soldiers shoot at anything when they fear for their lives. It sucks.
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Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Oh, I've lived through a couple not just heard about them. Are they not a direct result of our aggression into Iraq? You really think "bin-laden" would be blowing up his own people if we werent there? We've killed thousands of civilians ourselves, you know.. smart-weapons aren't. Young soldiers shoot at anything when they fear for their lives. It sucks.
These guys understand us a lot better then we do them, we have the guns but not the stomach for violence. Americans are addicted to succes, 5 years ago you were amost all behind it and now the love is gone, that worked for the terrorists at least. Terrorist bombings aren't exactly a new thing that promptly appeared when you opened a starbucks in bagdad.
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There are reasons that they hate us, you know. 1, the majority of resistance in Iraq is conducted by Iraqi freedom-fighters. 2, the relatively small percentage of foreign jihadis in the region hate us for any number of causes that are a direct result of our foreign policy and exploitation of the world's poor and indifference to their religous wishes in the 80s and 90s.
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Yeah they have a reason to hate us, it's called the political islam. Deeply sorry for them if we can't meet their religious demands but I prefer my head attached to my neck if you don't mind.
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Its an ignorant attitude like that that will keep this war going in perpetuity. You need to learn about your enemies and why they are at odds with us, so we can work out a real, long-term solution to the issues or else we are no longer a great nation. "They" have no problem with you living your life the way you want. "They" just don't like us offending their great sense of religion by throwing ourselves in their faces every day and oppressing them at every turn. If you ever get a chance to travel to the Middle East, especially a rural country of the ME, you will see how much religion plays a part in these peoples lives and how it dictates their thoughts.
Now, certainly, I would agree that all religion is idiocy and has been the cause of most if not all suffering in human history, but these people arent going to become enlightened atheists anytime soon.
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Easy now, the broad brush is my tool, take a stroll in a multicultural european neightbourhood, bring your girlfriend and see how much they respect your way of life. I expect around 10 educated guesses about her profession within 5 minutes. Is it so hard to imagine that the USA isn't necesarily the only faction in the world with a emperialist agenda?
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There are reasons that they hate us, you know. 1, the majority of resistance in Iraq is conducted by Iraqi freedom-fighters
Thats one of the biggest loads of doo doo ive ever seen posted here. Freedom fighter? Who do they want freedom from?
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Are you smoking crack? Maybe that came out wrong, but are you saying Americans are not killing Iraqis? With at least 74,000 dead as a result of the war, I'd certainly say we are..
You better check your stash. :laugh4: You think we killed all these people? Your precious freedom fighters are in no way responsible? Who are the real bad guys here? Who do you side with anyway? Would you like the insurgents to win?
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Excuse me, for starters, I never said "we" killed all of them. I said quote "as a result of the war". They'd be alive if not for the war. Not to mention the humanitarian and refugee crisis in Iraq. Look into it. it sucks.
What are they fighting for freedom from? Uh, an occupational power and a puppet government perhaps? Its how invasions work, look into it. Same thing happened to the Brits when they tried the same with their client regime in Iraq.
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Let's see... 'ignorant', 'doo-doo', 'crack'...
Argue the points, fellas, without resort to character assassination.
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Excuse me, for starters, I never said "we" killed all of them.
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but are you saying Americans are not killing Iraqis
No you didnt say all but you insinuated we are responsible for all.
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What are they fighting for freedom from? Uh, an occupational power and a puppet government perhaps? I
Or too gain power for their own nasty little ideas perhaps? Do you think the majority of Iraqis support them? If so why are so many Iraqis fighting them? It seens to me you have little grasp of the real situation over there.
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Are you kidding me? The majority of Iraqis view us as illegal occupiers by an overwhelming margin. Look at the polls. A startling number of Iraqis view US troops as legitimate targets. Look at the polls. Most of the people taking pot-shots and lobbing mortars and placing IEDs are normal, average, every day people. Not radical islamists. I've been there for 15 months, and am going for a second 15 months in November.
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Are you kidding me? The majority of Iraqis view us as illegal occupiers by an overwhelming margin.
Who is kidding who here? Ive said ask them to vote on the matter more times than I can count. Do you really think they would be better off if we just packed up and left?
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I've been there for 15 months, and am going for a second 15 months in November.
Are you in the army?
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I don't know about creating more terrorists, but the economic effects of this war on the US will have a lasting impact. Probably not the full result OBL wants, but I'm sure he's happy about it.
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I think a better question would be does Islam create more terrorist than the War in Iraq.
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I'd be more scared if I was a European apathy and a low birth rate are never good.
Low birthrates are very, very good. There's hardly any more room left on this planet, until we find another one we'll either have to get a huge war or significantly lower birthrates...
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they can't vote on it as long as the seperatists hold sway in Baghdad. The President is a Kurd for chrissakes, and the last thing he wants is to have his strongman (the US) leave.
Yes, I am in the 10th mountain division. my first tour was in 2003 with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment.
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Low birthrates are very, very good.
I dont think you get it. Only those he spoke of are declining. The number of Muslims certainly is not
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they can't vote on it as long as the seperatists hold sway in Baghdad. The President is a Kurd for chrissakes, and the last thing he wants is to have his strongman (the US) leave.
I thought we were in charge :laugh4: I agree Baghdad is a mess. I still favor a 3 state solution.
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Yes, I am in the 10th mountain division. my first tour was in 2003 with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment.
My hats off to you then. Man you should have heard the things I used to say about our leaders when I was in the Marines. :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
Low birthrates are very, very good. There's hardly any more room left on this planet, until we find another one we'll either have to get a huge war or significantly lower birthrates...
Hore Tore, I'm not going to say you're wrong. Instead, I'm going to ask you to consider your position in light of the numerous times in the past few centuries that it has been stated we are at maximum population density for the planet.
I'd also like you to consider that there are large parts of Alaska and Northern Canada where the population density is less than 1 person per square mile. Forget about a nice 1/2 acre bungalow in the suburbs, you could have yourself your own square mile.
Finally, if we compressed everyone into a level of urbanization no greater than what exists in Boston, Massachussets (the highest population density city in the USA), we could fit the entire world's population into an area roughly half the size of Texas.
We may have too many people in too few areas on Earth, and the wrong places at that, but the planet as a whole is not overpopulated.
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The worl Pop. in half the size of texas?!?!?
I cant believe it.
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Texas is mighty big :laugh4:
