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I don't know if this would cause model issues, but I was thinking, would it not be realistic if Makedon and Epiros recruit pantodapoi phalagnitai in the east, and Arche, Ptolemaioi and Baktria recruit Phalangitai Deuteroi in Hellas. Also, maybe the Qarthadastim, on conquering Greece, should have acces to some sort of pike, which they used in large, mercenary quantities, so surely if they conquered Hellas then they would recruit pike from the local population?
The exact thought occured to me too! But I think Carthage's regional roster is being enhanced for v9.0 as we speak (at least I hope so...). A increased regional roster for Armeniawould be great too, as they totally rely on type 3 governments, as their type 2 is the smallest in the game, and their type 1 is condensed in... you guess it, Armenia! That's why I added Thureophoroi to their regional barracks. I wanted to do this too with Shipri Tukul, but they share a modell (or was it skin?) with the Nakhararakn Tiknapah...
Edit: Makedonians and Epeiros can build Deuteroi Phalangitai basically everywhere in the east, just look at their recruitment map in the Unit Cards thread. But Pantodapoi would help them out in western Africa, as well as deuteroi would help out Seleucids and Baktrians in greece, and Ptolemys need both as their levy phalangites are only available in eastern Africa...
Makedon and Epeiros can already recruit Pantodapoi Phalangitai if they get the right provinces. I'm not sure if the Ptolemais or Seleukids can recruit the Deuteroi in mainland Hellas, but I imagine so.
Arkatreide's unit cards prove you wrong. Pantodapoi Phalangitai can only be recruited bySeleucids, Pontos, Bactrians and, by a regional MIC, by Pahlava.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
The Deuteroi Phlangitae and Pantodapoi Phalangitai share a model so Epirus and Makedonia can't recruit the latter.
I distinctly recall being able to recruit Pandaptoi Phalangitai with Epirus in Serdike :inquisitive:
That might have been a really old version, though - Epeiros also used to be able to recruit standard thureophoroi.
Besides, PD is better than PP and as Maks/Epeirus you can recruit PD wherever PP could be recruited. So huzzah!
I really wish all Greek factions could have both (especially Mak recreating Alexander and replacing loses with eastern troops trained to fight with pike), but, as was said:
...and successors can't recruit the former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
I thought models could have two skins per faction though? :inquisitive:
1 model = all faction + rebel + mercenary skins
But there are no mercenary P.P. or P.D. and I don't see how the rebels affect it, since they're a diffrent faction surely?
Couldn't this be fixed by adding the mercenary_unit tag to both units?
The Tukuls use the merc skin slot for the model, so no problem there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus Seleukeia
Nope. If you add the merc skin tag to a unit it only gets the one merc skin no matter what faction recruits it. So if we did that all 3 units would look the same. That means that if the Maks were feeling a unit of each they;d all look the same. It would also mean that if a Seleukid PP was fighting a Ptol MP they would look the same. Ugly stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarax
Hmm, what about giving it only to PP? What would happen then?
Then every faction who recruited the PP would be using the merc skin. All PPs ever recruited would look the same. Not pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarax
EDIT: Anyway, it doesn't really matter, we are already using the merc slot on that model, I think.
Foot
I figure you could just use the merc slot to make either the TP or P/MP a "regional", you know. The Taxeis mostly - the Pantodapoi and Machimoi are virtually one and same thing as equipement and appereance goes, and the main difference in UI texts is "regional flavor". That way as such every faction (if such is desired) could recruit both the TPs and P/MPs in the appropriate regions. The only problems with the arrangements I can think of are that A) all the Taxeis look alike regardless of the faction they belong to B) any given faction will have only one skin for the PPs and MPs, but I'd say those are rather minor issues.
(The current merc slot for the model is incidentally used for Rebel PPs - although the skin it refers to seems to be the Rebel Taxeis...)