Valour Glitch?

Ok, I had something rather odd happen in my recent Lithuanian campaign(XL).

Ok, basically, I decided right at the beginning to go after Novgorod, for the income and to drop a potential threat. By the 4th turn or so, I was ready to invade. However, they had already gone and conquered Finland, so I was able to conquer Novgorod with relatively little effort. By the time I was ready to finish them off, my first heir had matured. He had secret pride and a killer insinct, raising his valor to 5. Unfortunately, he was absolutely awful in piety, acumen, command, etc...So i sent him on a suicide mission into Finland to take on 300 Novos by himself. Now somehow, once the battle started, it said that my heir had 10 valor! He, by himself, took down 227 troops, mostly vikes and spearmen, though there was a unit of druzhina that suffered as well. I can't believe the guy nearly beat an entire army by himself! How did he end up getting 10 valor? Anyone know?

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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan

I can't believe the guy nearly beat an entire army by himself! How did he end up getting 10 valor? Anyone know?

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I don't know, but if I had to choose one person to go into battle for my life - I pick him!! :hmg: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Yes there is a bug -- valour modifying vices and virtues can get counted TWICE for generals - once on the campaign map and once on the battle map. So in your case he will show as a valour 5 on the campaign map, then valour 10 on the battle map. As far as I can tell this only happens for generals, and other units with VnVs show in battle the same as they do on the campaign map. To test it for sure you could try putting this prince in battle under another general with no VnVs, and he should revert to his expected v5. (If you have a save game with him still alive, of course :laugh4: )

I've never payed much attention to the valour difference on the battlefield, though can remember some units with 10 or more valour on the battlefield. I will have to pay more attention and see if this happens.

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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan

Ok, I had something rather odd happen in my recent Lithuanian campaign(XL).

Ok, basically, I decided right at the beginning to go after Novgorod, for the income and to drop a potential threat. By the 4th turn or so, I was ready to invade. However, they had already gone and conquered Finland, so I was able to conquer Novgorod with relatively little effort. By the time I was ready to finish them off, my first heir had matured. He had secret pride and a killer insinct, raising his valor to 5. Unfortunately, he was absolutely awful in piety, acumen, command, etc...So i sent him on a suicide mission into Finland to take on 300 Novos by himself. Now somehow, once the battle started, it said that my heir had 10 valor! He, by himself, took down 227 troops, mostly vikes and spearmen, though there was a unit of druzhina that suffered as well. I can't believe the guy nearly beat an entire army by himself! How did he end up getting 10 valor? Anyone know?

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Well, I do remember a viking prince killing and routing 100 fyrds and 60 archers by himself. he came with 100 thralls which were dispatched by arrows. And then routed my army.

The other one I recall is one of my princes dying over a huge pile of corpses in a very long and epic battle. It's just that when you have very high valour plus some "hard to kill" trait, you can really slaughter a lot of enemies...the starting with 10 valour is unusual though. But if you have the two or three V&V proving morale bonus plsu a good general, why not? :yes: