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The Pew Global Survey Group has finished a study/survey (Link), that tried to measure peoples' general happiness with their circumstance.
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Originally Posted by article
So, following the Pew lead, given the past 5 years, are you happier, about the same, or less happy, today, than you were in July 2002?
Why?
edit: poll is anonymous
Gah! I read the whole link (I really need to stop doing that: It's the Backroom! Nobody ever read links!) and I think the survey results pretty much screams out "common sense," really. For one, a richer, more comfortable person is on average happier than an I-don't-know-if-I'm-gonna-die-tomorrow African, yet there's only so far you can go before that shiny new home theater system is really just a useless empty toy for a spoiled American suburban [/self insult]. Considering the West's "developed" status versus other countries' "developing" status "our" stasis when compare to other nations' improvements in happiness trends are almost self-explanatory.
Economics is important but it's not everything...which is the conclusion from the survey is it not?
As for the poll, I vote less happy for precisely one reason: I grew up. :laugh4:
Somewhat less, though I've grown more cynical with age, I guess. And slightly poorer. ~;p
Much happier now. I'm a lot more attractive, dress better, have my own place, am at university doing something I love, and have developed into a person I really quite like.
I think so, although they're loathe to admit that their surveys try to arrive at any preconceived conclusions. :eyeroll:Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
Nevertheless, I was interested to see if backroomers thought, in general, they were happier, the same, or less happy, than they thought they were in 2002. And why.
We have an enviable international membership - that sadly doesn't include many developing countries. So, given that we are residents of developed countries, how do we feel?
Got married, lived overseas, had a kid, had a couple of salary raises... so I would think I would be happier.
I was definitely happier back in 2002. Why?
1) Back then, I was an ignorant 12 year old with relatively minor worries and concerns.
2) Now, I am a hormonal teenager who is fed up with the hypocrisy of my high school, fed up with my government's leadership, fed up with the situation in Iraq...And of course the fact that I'm a hormonal teenager means that I generally blow situations way out of proportion to begin with.
I'm more satisfied...
1. M2TW is out
2. My bagpiping has improved (now it sounds like a semi-asthmatic pig, not three geese wailing with a cat)
3. I'm getting closer to graduating.
Less satisfied...
1. I'm becoming more cynical
2. Love problems
3. I 'm wishing I lived somewhere other than Florida
Before (2002) I was enjoyed living in Florida and was more innocent, didn't care so much about girls (I don't care to go into it)
I guess I'm happier now than 2002
I'm definately happier now. I have a great girlfriend, more money, closer contact with my family, and I'm in much better shape, from playing rugby and football (that's rest-of-world football to you Americans).
I drink more often. So more happy
True, they seem to try to interpret their data in a specific way they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
I suppose Total War isn't very popular compare to other, more "iconic" computer games like Halo and the rest of them, which would allow for a wider fan base + community. In any case it doesn't help that even Thailand banned YouTube which generally suggests that users of developing countries with shaky civil rights often have to go through more trouble to use the internet (as for my guess for the reason, I suspect someone got offended over a random video showing negativities about "The King" and pulled the trigger. Shame really, I used to be in along with everyone else about how great The King really is for a large portion of my youth; goddam propaganda, I'll never forgive them...but I'm rambling here).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukrikhan
In a way though, one could argue that not being exposed to the Really Bad Stuff makes our happiness not altogether that different from people elsewhere, simply that we have relative standards. Even though the study is skewed I still effectively agree with their key point that there's a ceiling though sadly not a floor on where economics can go in terms of having a good trip 'round this pretty little Earth.
With life, yes. With the reality of it, maybe not so much.
With the differences between 2002 and 2007? Well, we all get over most of the problems in 2008. :brakelamp: ~D :hijacked:
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MUCH less happy.
5 years ago in July I was freshly married, in love (with my wife) (duh, I said freshly), had good future prospects, was about to immigrate to a better country and presumably better life, etc.
Today: divorced, been through a crapload of emotional anguish (I know, I'm repeating myself here), I'm alone, closest friend is 5000 km away, completely lacking motivation to do my job, haven't done any actual work in several weeks...
So yeah, I guess I voted less happy. ~D
I guess that I am differently happy now than in 2002, but also more so.
I was working very hard back then in my business - which brings its own rewards in achievement, but less in contentment. Now its all sold and I can relax, I am much more content.
Material prosperity has never been a concern in the sense that my ancestors did all that for me. But the sense that I am progressing in personal terms, in making my small mark on the world so that someone might remember who that fellow in the painting on the back stairs might have been - well, I'm reasonably content in that too.
Being happily married makes a big difference as well, of course. The love of a good woman (and no doubt a family) far outweighs anything money can buy, happiness-wise.
Back in 2002, I was only 12, so I suppose I was only happy through naivety. Now I am still at least as happy, knowing what I know now. So I guess that does count for more, therefore I suppose I am more happy, in a different way.
I'm happier overall.
Since 2002 I've gone to live on my own mostly, live in a big city now and not in a village anymore. I have gained some new friends, changed my mindset a bit and am still working on changing myself to the better in some regards.
I have also discovered how nice this forum here is, yeah, it's a part of my life and I would consider many of you friends(maybe I'm weird, but I like most of you and I don't hate the others). Then I have also discovered Beirut nights radio and dance music, which usually makes me happy.
On the downside we have slow studies, have to find a job now, still no love, no really close friends in the big city(well, my close friends in the village all came/come from outside) after two years of living there.
But overall I always expect good things from the future, maqybe that's what makes me lazy, but it's also my drive to go on and keep living, I'm constantly looking forward to good things I expect from the future, even if it's unlike that they will happen. I keep making plans only to not execute them, but it's fun and keeps me positive and lately I'm working on doing things I would usually not dare to do and doing them without blushing.
I'm a work in progress and overall I like it. :2thumbsup:
PS: I'm inclined to say some of you orgahs helped, telling me I need to get out more often keeps my self improvement up and running. ~;)
The same. Which means philosophically unhappy, if not existentially grumpy.
Last week at work, me and the boys are cutting up this big dead pine tree, sweating in the sun, and in a break in the action, I let loose. I told them that we were right here on this same piece of land yesterday and the day before doing the exact same thing, and we'll be doing the exact same thing here tomorrow. It's a a horrid deja vue, a blur of work leading to work. Gah!
I asked why I can't have a day to day deja vue existence of that night years back when me and that sweet brunette spent New Year's Eve in bed drinking champagne and eating chocolate. Why can't I have that day over and over? Why is the pleasure the abberation and the workload the rule?
Totally, utterly, blisteringly unfair, and I'm really pissed off about it. Just like I was in 2002. ~:pissed:
On the other hand, my kids are healthy and cute, I make decent money, and my woman has a smoking' bod, so who am I to complain?
Says it all really, but you pays your money, you makes your choices and you live with the consequence of you decisions.Quote:
Being happily married makes a big difference as well, of course. The love of a good woman (and no doubt a family) far outweighs anything money can buy, happiness-wise.
Needless to say I voted more unhappy but at least I don't whine about it and blame others, life in general and the universe as a whole.
I voted less happier, but now that i think of it more, it might be that im actually happier, while i have less reasons to be happy about. Lot has happened after 2002 and i think the most important result has been that as an human being, i have came to value smaller things that make me happy more.
Many things that were trivial to me when i was younger have gained value as i have grown older and also some things that were of great value back then, mean little to nothing to me anymore.
Im not sure what others think, but in my personal life i have pretty much abandoned the pursuing of happines from my part. It seems that destiny has little consideration about "my happines",when it throws me around in this life and many times things happen that i have little to no chances to effect in any way. Basicly, all as a person i can do is to take care of myself and help my friends and loved ones incase they need me. And ofcourse always hope for the best.:yes:
I am as happy as I was then. Why? I am still in somwhere in the middle. The things are changing, I am in the same strange mood. I still do not know if this is good or bad. Well, forunately the good moments are better!
Happiness is a virtue, like courage or honesty. I’d no more be unhappy, than I would be a coward or a liar. Life is full of ups and downs. At some point, you take ownership of your life and make peace with the world, or you will forever be on a rollercoaster. Adversity should bring us wisdom, not sadness
Definately happier than in 2002 - but I was preety happy then. The big difference? - the birth of my daughter in 2004. I now have the complete set - a wife, a son and a daughter - and we all live together in the beautiful English countryside - and, unlike many other parts, my bit is not under water. Add the fact that the sea is about a mile away, life could not be much better.
I think a little Gilgamesh (:2thumbsup:) can provide insight into why I am less happy today than five years ago, though I did not have the foresight of Gilgamesh:
"'You are a cooking fire that goes out in the cold; a back door that keeps out neither wind nor storm; a palace that crushes the brave ones defending it; a well whose lid collapses; pitch that dirties one who is carrying it; a waterskin that soaks the one who lifts it; limestone that crumbles in the stone wall; a battering-ram that shatters in the land of the enemy; a shoe that pinches the owner's foot! Which of your lovers have you loved forever? Which of your Little Shepherds has continued to please you? Come, let me name your lovers for you! ... "
Me, I'm happier than I was before. Now, I've only got a few more years in school to go. I'm more learned, more experienced, I have more friends, and have a decent idea of what the future might hold for me.
Also, I discovered the Org. That counts for something.
Well, I guess, although she does do that thing where they start conversations when the football is on. And no matter how many pairs of shoes I offer to buy her, she's just never going to get freaky with her best girl friend. Or mine :clown:
Oh, Life. Whoops. Yeah, about the same.
You know how people answer this question by saying ah, but if you DID sopend every day with that sweet brunette in bed drinking champagne and eating chocolate it would BECOME work and you'd be wanting to go and chop up dead trees in the blazing sun with your buddies instead?Quote:
Last week at work, me and the boys are cutting up this big dead pine tree, sweating in the sun, and in a break in the action, I let loose. I told them that we were right here on this same piece of land yesterday and the day before doing the exact same thing, and we'll be doing the exact same thing here tomorrow. It's a a horrid deja vue, a blur of work leading to work. Gah!
I asked why I can't have a day to day deja vue existence of that night years back when me and that sweet brunette spent New Year's Eve in bed drinking champagne and eating chocolate. Why can't I have that day over and over? Why is the pleasure the abberation and the workload the rule?
Its total cobblers, isn't it?
Not as happy. I left the school which I realised I loved, so now I'm heading back ASAP.
With Mrs Corleone, and little Jilly Bean? No comparison.
Happy? Happiness? What kind of strange words are these? They sound familiar.
My philosophy and my way of life allow no happiness, nor sadness and suffering. Difficult (to most), but possible: it can be trained. Having been a mix of that which is Cynical, Stoic, and Tao-like, I ultimately embraced Stoicism. However I still have some of the other two occasionally but hardly (and then only minimally).
And if I lived differently -- like most -- and allowed a thing such as "happiness" in the typical sense (which is usually the typical old consumerism, greed, money, lust, romance, being a slave to emotions and passions, ignorance, having a distorted mind, etc.) I would probably not be truly happy, for I would most likely be pursuing a goal, an objective, that is unattainable in such a way, as one would continually pursue and never finally find it. When people are supposedly happy in this way it is merely a false idea or belief to make oneself feel better.
No, I have no happiness in the common sense. Economy, financial status, etc.; it is a bad gauger. I don't even see a reason to live, really. For years -- actually for a big part of life -- I have thought, I have philosophied, I have sought and found knowledge, wisdom, truth, illumination, and finally inner peace and freedom, and so forth and humanity consists of mainly silly foolish creatures.... why do we live? Wherefore do we live -- to consume, etc.? Nature, the master, that controls us slaves. It is pointless. It is petty.
And "being happy in the typical sense" has become impossible to me, for once one knows it is too late. "Happiness" requires mainly ignorance and simplicity and they are things I lack and have lacked for many a moon past.
Generally the control of emotions and passions is a better way for humanity. The control of emotions, passions, and desires, and the utilization of logic and proper morality are a better way for life in general... in the big picture.
Much, much less. This is primarily due to the fact that I am in a horrible, draining relationship that I cannot seem to get out of. I hate my (real) life, which should be good news to some on this board. :help: