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What going on with this guild? Shouldnt they be call expansionist guild? their assigments always go for pure aggresion, capturing cities from faction that i never ever had any problems with. I destroyed their guild after they give me a mission to capture saragossa from papal states :inquisitive: Do we need them for something anyway?
:s the explorer's guild never gave me missions of that kind ^^
P.S. maybe you should delete :daisy: in the thread title.I think you offend people with it :book: :rulez:
The guild gives graceful traveler to agents and sometimes generals. I usually refuse this guild when it is offered, never taking more than one. I have seen few benefits to having it and missions I don't like are always ignored.
I don't know about that. Unless you are advocating Nazism, only the "too-sensitive-to-be-out-in-public" types will be offended by the reference. History should not offend people, because it is the realm of facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
He's not portraying the Nazis in a positive light, so why be offended? We can talk about the Crusades here in this forum, and that might offend Muslims, but that should not limit our freedom of speech. I don't think we should ban references to Nazism. The more the evils of Nazism stay in our mind, the less likely we are as a people to repeat such atrocities.
So long as we keep the cursing, spam, personal attacks, and positive portrayals of Nazis out of this forum, I would think that the political correctness police should also stay out of it. Just my two cents.
Returning to the topic, the explorer's guild should focus on exploring the map, and establishing relations with distant cultures as missions, not military objectives. Someone dropped the ball on this one.
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I think i usually get capture settlement from Nobles, Explorers guild has only given me Annex Settlement, meaning buying or trading it to myself, i don´t see that as act of Nazism... And Nazis were more like racists than bloodthirsty conquerors... But that´s what i think...
I was under the impression that it also raised income from trade, but on reflection I don't think that was actually in the building description. A mystery!
I think its very nazi like doing, nazis are somekind of agressive nationalists and mission's description like "it would be better for you and our business if you take this city into you territory" is a typical text example for "it would be better if that would be ours, not theirs". I understand it if we would talk about cities of nations that im currenty at war with but they always wanted to go for peacefull territories. They dont give you annex settlement missions, royal court give you such missions, explorers leave it to you how you do it. when i played as bad guy i did two of such missions and price for it was lousy 40 florins, like they would say "the price is right, we dont care about you coz we are better and you should be finding new city and new war to be more of a reward".
Political stuff belongs in the backroom. Crusades within the game belongs here, while historical discussions of the crusades belong in the Monastery, and crusades+politics belongs in the backroom. Freedom of speech most certainly belongs in the backroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy
As for Nazism, if there were any nazi's in the game it could be discussed here, while historical or political discussion of the Nazi's belong in the Monastery or backroom, respectively... That's why there is more than one forum, you know ~;)
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Back on to the original topic, the explorers guild in this game doesn't just represent explorers, it also represents the explorer with a dozen greedy merchants at his back, as well as the greedy merchants by themselves, looking for new areas to do trade. In that light, having the explorers guild give missions to conquer a new place for them to trade doesn't seem odd.
@HoreTore
I was merely responding to the suggestion that the word Nazi itself is taboo for some reason. I think censoring his comparison of the explorers guild to Nazi conquests is a bit much. It's unneccessary, that's what I was driving at.
If it were actually a discussion about Nazism, I might agree with you. But it's not, it's completely on topic. It's just an offhand reference, not a political debate.
I think if the original poster was breaking the forum rules, his post would have been edited or removed by now. I was also just stating that I didn't feel his post was offensive. Two cents and all that.
Well, getting back to the topic now. I think any further discussions on this point should be done in private message or the backroom so as not to hijack the thread.
ok, i forgot to make and observetion statement on topic theme. I told already what i think. If someone fells uneasy about this discussion - sorry.
nazi expanionalism is only one form. there are many other unions and nations that are doing the same thing right now under the hand. even military force is used to promote this kind of expanionism. in example the war in yugoslavia.
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Please cease with the discussion of nazism, either in-game or in relation to this thread title. It is pointless and off-topic.
Cleaning will reopen soon.
Is it worth to ask what this thread is about and why it is in the noble monastry?
Nah. It started out as a normal thread but someone mentioned the N-a-z-i word, so it had to be censored and buried.
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It's in the monastery for spiritual healing and enlightenment, of course.
It's not specifically everything Nazi that is being banned, I think we're not the Paradox forums, though I can kind of see why they do that over there considering their game topics, WWII and all , but rather the potential flame war by a random Nazi reference. Not to hurt anyone's feeling but I always thought that "Nazi" isn't such an appropriate allusion for megalomaniac warmongering anyway (which seems to be what this guild demands of the monarch in the game) as it contains allusions to a vastly broader viewpoint (and very much less understandable) than just expansionism. Scratching that, since this is a Monastery topic now, I must ask one of the monks around here if they know anything of an example of a historical "explorer's guild?"Quote:
Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy
I always thought that exploring has always been the stuff of air-headed adventurers backed up by filthy rich people -- usually monarchs, or some Italian bankers -- and not a Medieval guild style organized effort.
The only thing closest to a "guild" I could think of right now is Henry the Navigator's school for naval-something in Portugal, and even then it's a prince's effort.
As for the "merchants hungry for wealth (by conquest)" that is put forth as a potential explanation for the explorer guild's behavior, I personally thought that it should've been represented by the merchant's guild missions really. It's not like the Venetians in the Fourth Crusade -- the most prominent example of hungry evil merchants doing that stuff that I could think of -- are doing that for their explorer's guild...