Former Iranian President: "Hitler Saved Europe from the Jews"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301296,00.html

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Hashemi Rafsanjani, former Iranian president and current Chairman of the Assembly of Experts, said Friday that Hitler’s treatment of Jewish people in Europe was due in part to their being “a pain in the neck.”

Rafsanjani’s comments came during a sermon for "International Jerusalem Day" on Iranian TV.

Rafsanjani noted that Jews caused problems for European governments because they “had a lot of property” and “controlled an empire of propaganda.” He also said that the Nazis were successful in saving Europe from the evil of Zionism.

The former Iranian leader served as president from 1989 to 1997, and was succeeded by Mohammad Khatami. Rafsanjani ran for a third term in office in 2005, but lost to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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While these comments are relatively irrelevant - former US President Jimmy Carter says crazy things all the time :beam: - it does highlight an issue that was being debated in another thread.

The resident muslim advocates attempted to assert that muslim hatred was directed towards Israelis and there was a clear distinction among muslims between Israelis and other Jews.

However, as this story points out, anti-semitism(yes, I know, and I'm going to use the word anyway because I dont like anti-jewishness) makes no distinctions among many muslims. :shame:

But there is this new televisionseries, about the holocaust! Schindlers Beard it was called I think, or was it Then things I hate about jews, forgot :dizzy2:

What a surprise Panzer , you take a "quote" from Memri and even have to change that to make a title :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Do you ever wonder why that organisation copywrites its "translations" ?
Would you like an actual quote from your own president instead ?

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The resident muslim advocates attempted to assert that muslim hatred was directed towards Israelis and there was a clear distinction among muslims between Israelis and other Jews.

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:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: is there also not a clear distinction between Isrealis , Jews and Zionists or would you like an Israeli article goung on about the threat to Israel society because of the decline in Israelis who are Zionists and the shrinking numbers of American Jews who are also Zionists .

At first I didn't know whether this was a celebration of the event or the opposite.

But it's interesting to see how a single former president of Iran represents the views of all muslims worldwide, just like Bush represents the views of all christians and atheists I guess. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Husar

But it's interesting to see how a single former preident of Iran represents the views of all muslims worldwide, just like Bush represents the views of all christians and atheists I guess. :laugh4:

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Well see it like this, either he is a nutjob, but state leaders rarely are, or he has a big crowd to please.

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But it's interesting to see how a single former preident of Iran represents the views of all muslims worldwide

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Whats more interesting is Panzers comment ..."a clear distinction among muslims between Israelis and other Jews. " when using a source that is not only extremely pro-zionist rather than pro-Jewish or pro-Israeli but has a history of taking articles and speeches and replacing the word Zionist or Zionism with Jewish and Judaism in its "translations" .:yes:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Well see it like this, either he is a nutjob, but state leaders rarely are, or he has a big crowd to please.

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Well, Bush is better than most stand up comedians.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Here he is, declaring Mandela dead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NKmdd0clmQ

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Rafsanjani's position as head of the council of experts means that he is VERY much a player in Iranian politics and arguably on a parallel with Mr. A. This suggests that any quotation from him is worthy of attention. Actually, PJ, your comparison to Carter is inaccurate. Carter is a self-styled ambassador to the World. He does NOT wield the influence on policy that Mr. Rafsanjani likely does.

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Tribes, if you believe the source used by PJ was a poor translation, it is implicitly incumbent upon you to provide us -- the readers of your counter-argument -- with a better one. I don't mind doing research, but it weakens your argument when you say: "your point is invalid because your source is questionable" but fail to provide evidence confirming its questionable character on this point. Nothing about this site being a motley crew of ardent zionists precludes there ability to have translated Rafsanjani accurately. If you think they blew it, show us. This would, by the way, sink PJ's point more effectively than you have done (so far).


Now, back to your corners. When you come out, I don't want any rabbit blows, head butts, or kicking....and do not bring the corner stool with you as a weapon.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Rafsanjani's position as head of the council of experts means that he is VERY much a player in Iranian politics and arguably on a parallel with Mr. A. This suggests that any quotation from him is worthy of attention.

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That may be true, but it still doesn't mean that all muslims think like he does, as PJ wants to make us believe. Even if all muslims in Iran think like that guy, there are a whole lot more muslims worldwide.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Now, back to your corners. When you come out, I don't want any rabbit blows, head butts, or kicking....and do not bring the corner stool with you as a weapon.

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You're looking for a moderator post? ~D

As far as I know, regardless of the political agenda that it may or may not have, MEMRI provides accurate translations. Interpretations, now... that might be a different matter.

Somehow, before clicking this thread, I just knew that this was Rafsanjani and not Khatami. 'Lo and behold... unfortunately for us, Rafsanjani and his chums are the dudes who are supposed to be controlling what the supreme beard does and doesn't do, and also fill him in on what's wise to do and what isn't. He is extremely close to the final and ultimately supreme power in the Iranian political system and the fact that he's the one saying this is not a good sign.

EDIT: Having seen the video now, I dispute PanzerJager's view on the man's words. What our friendly beard (or is that goatee?) here is trying to do is drive a wedge between Zionists -- that is, Jewish patriots/nationalists -- and Jews in general (those not expressly declaring themselves proponents of the Jewish national cause). Unfortunately for him, it's done in such an incredibly crude way that the only purpose it will serve is to strengthen the arguments of Zionists when they criticize the Iranians and bespeak the plight of the Jewish nation in the Middle East, beset by a country ruled by idiots such as this man, Akbar Rafsanjani. Add to that his imposing list of lies, slander, half-truths and general ignorance while talking, and you got another Iranian embarassment complete.

"Hitler saved Europe from the Jews", " The Holocaust never happened, but was a Zionist hoax". Sure.....and Pigs do have wings! These people may as well be ostriches with their heads in the sand.

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As far as I know, regardless of the political agenda that it may or may not have, MEMRI provides accurate translations.

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So they wouldn't do things like translate atheist into heretic or switch zionist into jewish ?

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What our friendly beard (or is that goatee?) here is trying to do is drive a wedge between Zionists -- that is, Jewish patriots/nationalists -- and Jews in general (those not expressly declaring themselves proponents of the Jewish national cause).

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...but but there are all the same to Muslims eh .

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The Holocaust never happened, but was a Zionist hoax

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Are you quoting Memris' version of Finkelsteins words there Rotor ?
He did get a little upset over that you know:yes: and it wasn't even a translation , it was english into english that they managed to change .

If the translation was wrong, can you provide an accurate one? I'll be glad to rescind my words.

Which words Panzer , the ones you yourself changed to make the title ?

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Hashemi Rafsanjani, former Iranian president and current Chairman of the Assembly of Experts, said Friday that Hitler’s treatment of Jewish people in Europe was due in part to their being “a pain in the neck.”

Rafsanjani’s comments came during a sermon for "International Jerusalem Day" on Iranian TV.

Rafsanjani noted that Jews caused problems for European governments because they “had a lot of property” and “controlled an empire of propaganda.” He also said that the Nazis were successful in saving Europe from the evil of Zionism.

The former Iranian leader served as president from 1989 to 1997, and was succeeded by Mohammad Khatami. Rafsanjani ran for a third term in office in 2005, but lost to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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Those words. What was changed?

Come now, tribes, if I've made assertions based on inaccurate information then you've got me nailed to the proverbial wall. Lets not drag it out. :smg:

What was changed that would make my assertions unfounded?

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So they wouldn't do things like translate atheist into heretic or switch zionist into jewish ?

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If you'd actually attempted to listen, you'd have noticed that Rafsanjani clearly pronounces the words "Zionist" and "Zionism" multiple times.

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...but but there are all the same to Muslims eh .

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When did I ever claim that? You're putting words in my mouth. In fact, the simple fact that this man is trying to use lies to drive a wedge in between one Jewish group and a (more vague) other one, makes it clear that that is not the case.

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Originally Posted by rotorgun

"Hitler saved Europe from the Jews", " The Holocaust never happened, but was a Zionist hoax". Sure.....and Pigs do have wings! These people may as well be ostriches with their heads in the sand.

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Well yeah, Turks don't speak of the Armenian Genocide, they call it Armenian immigration.

Well yeah, the Holocaust was also just some Jews doing mass-suicides. Worse things happened.



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If you'd actually attempted to listen, you'd have noticed that Rafsanjani clearly pronounces the words "Zionist" and "Zionism" multiple times.

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As it happens I was refering to their translations from egyptian TV and their alterations of an American university paper(in English) as examples , though Finkelsteins would also serve as well or the Al-jazeera piece this week on some western medias reliance on the forwarded "translatons" of dinnerjackets words instead of ripping into the actual words he spoke .

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When did I ever claim that? You're putting words in my mouth.

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Ah I see , that wasn't putting words in your mouth , that was using your words to ridicule the opening post .

And they lived happily everafter, but still we have nothing on the rediculous claim that this is wrongly translated. Do we have to take your word for it or do you have a link to indymedia

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And they lived happily everafter, but still we have nothing on the rediculous claim that this is wrongly translated. Do we have to take your word for it or do you have a link to indymedia

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Indymedia....who are they ? Oh you mean the website of the groups known as indymedia that has lots and lots of pages dealing with Memris errrrrrr..... "translations".:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Well done Frag , thank you :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Indymedia....who are they ? Oh you mean the website of the groups known as indymedia that has lots and lots of pages dealing with Memris errrrrrr..... "translations".:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Well done Frag , thank you :2thumbsup:

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Actually it's an extreme leftist propaganda site, glad to see you haven't heard of it. Surprised, but pleased. But, about that translation thing, we will just have to take your word for it? Quite a claim. Since I didn't read anything about his remark in the red machine newspapers I'll have to assume he actually said that.

Well that clearly went over you head:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Is that absolutily nothing at all or are you just happy to see me?

nevermind

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Is that absolutily nothing at all or are you just happy to see me?

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aLWys happy to see you FraG, your posts make ridicule so much easier.
So now my little dutch anti muslim fetishist can you provide an accurate translation of the speech???? ..dreadfuly sory but most of thee translationservices arestill going onabout previous "translations"from memri .Give them a chance to catch up with te propoganda machine
Soooo...

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I'll have to assume he actually said that.

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you know what they say about assumptions .:yes:

You said the translation was off, tribes. I'd really like to know what the man said.

Why don't you just post the supposed real translation so you can put the anti-muslim fetishists in their place?

As I said, if I copy/pasted an incorrect translation, I will rescind what I wrote, but as of now you're just being obnoxious.

OMG the resident fascist is suggesting that I am being obnoxius....I am soooooooo offended

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I will rescind what I wrote

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what a kind offer ..but where will you start is it with...."Hitler Saved Europe from the Jews"
or will it be The resident muslim advocates attempted to assert that muslim hatred was directed towards Israelis and there was a clear distinction among muslims between Israelis and other Jews.


perhaps even again

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I will rescind what I wrote

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........ no need Panzer stick by your own words that you wrote , stick by your own words that you repeatedly write , they speak volumes .:thumbsdown:

Though if I might quote some Jewish fellow who obviously in the minds of Iranian nutcaes is exactly the same as followers of Kahane as there is clearly no difference....hmmmm......oh yes "translations"....memris are made of this it is as trustworthy as Julius Streicher's Der Sturmer was on the Jewish world.

Now at a really vauge guess I suppose you are familiar with Streicher , not of course that I am suggesting that his works are in your favourite reading list and I am sure that if his poster should addorn your wall it is only because the golden pheasant uniform of a Gaulieter looks so fetching .

Yes, yes... bla bla bla.

I posted a translation that seemed to show a rather powerful muslim stating that Hitler rid Europe of Zionism, which would support my assertion that many muslims have a hard time distinguishing between Zionist Jews and non-Zionist.

You said the translation was not right. Can you give the correct translation?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Are you quoting Memris' version of Finkelsteins words there Rotor ? He did get a little upset over that you know:yes: and it wasn't even a translation , it was english into english that they managed to change .

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Sorry it took me so long to get back to you me-bucko, but I was merely paraphrasing the generally accepted statements coming from various Iranian officials concerning the Holocaust, such as......."The Holocaust never happened, but was a Zionist hoax."

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posted a translation that seemed to show a rather powerful muslim stating that Hitler rid Europe of Zionism

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Well thats news for Europe:dizzy2: don't you mean that Hitler tried to rid europe of Jews..but of course some people cannot make distinctions eh ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

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which would support my assertion that many muslims have a hard time distinguishing between Zionist Jews and non-Zionist.

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Really ? then why does he use the word Zionist and then also use the word Jew , you claim they are the same and there is no distinction ..funny really when you consider that the Iranian State run TV had an Austrian orthodox rabbi being highly critical of what passes for Zionism in Israel...surely if there was no distinction then this statewould certainly not have a rabbi on TV as he must be a zionist , but if he is not a zionist then they would be undermining the claim you put upon them that jews and zionists are inseperable and indistinguishable

...so panzer would you like to borrow a gun to shoot yourself in the foot or have you managed to do it already:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: