Gangstas should take lessons from Paris riots ?

Just look at that, now that's a freakin riot. Somehow they always manage it in Pars, far better than anywhere else, bar Afghanistan. Gangstas take note ! (that's a joke!)

Wonder how Sarcophagus is going to handle this one. There's actually a high profile in the police force who said they won't take this without shooting back for much longer. *ahem* Wonder how he got his job.

Anyway, the solution is easy enough. Start a fair investigation into how those two kids got killed (AGAIN!!! 2nd time), and carry the case to court. Obviously now the police is in a fix, because to control this thing without further incident will be a nightmare.

Linkage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7114175.stm

The French should throw stuff back.

It's very sad when two people die so young, but it seems like they only have themselves to blame...

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Originally Posted by The Article

Police sources have said that in Sunday's incident, the motorcycle was going at top speed and was not registered for street use, while the two teenagers were not wearing helmets and had been ignoring traffic rules.

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Which French ? The police or the rioters ? I guess you mean the police.

As if the riots have anything to do with these kids just an excuse. As if they will accept the outcome of the investigation, just shoot back. If that leads to escalation fine, keep shooting untill it's calm again. Curfew, martial law.

Imagine that this is happening in one of Europe's capital cities.

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Originally Posted by Sinan

Imagine that this is happening in one of Europe's capital cities.

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Not just Paris, we had this in Amsterdam as well last month, cars are still set ablaze on daily bases, guy got shot by cops after he stabbed them, bam riots. Doesn't matter what happens, anything will do.

What did you all see on TV, guys? Trench war? It's just riots... Bricks vs flashball. Molotovs vs lacrymo. A "badly wounded" french cop usually has a broken nail. A "strongly organised party" of rioters is a bunch of "angry" kids with clubs for mass destruction weapons. There are almost no firearms in the french suburbs, and even less ammunition. What I mean is that you can get a gun quite easily in those places but 1-it will be an old rusted one and 2-with three bullets and 3-very expensive (say 1000 euros). The result is that guns are used for three things: vendetta, accidents, and suicides.
Pillage and looting? Who cares? That's evil but insurance companies in France are stinking rich and won't refuse if Sarko asks them to pay back those "poor courageous french victims". And he WILL ask them, be sure about it.

There won't be any true explosion, I bet. And if someone dies of gunfire (that's unlikely), everyone will go back home and think a bit (not enough, alas).

An honnest investigation on the accident is to be done. The kids were completely outlaw, that's not questionnable. But we have a little problem in France. Every single investigation involving police officers is closed before beginning. "The men did what they had to do, everything's fine, thank you, and goodbye". And it's always the same for twenty years at least. And the darker the skin of the victim is, the faster the cop's innocence is stated. That is what those rioters have in mind. That and a true desire for pillage and action (you can't imagine how life is boring when you are a poor kid with an almost hardcoded brutal future living in a dull place full of people like you).

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Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

A "badly wounded" french cop usually has a broken nail.

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Actually he got shot in the head.

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Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

An honnest investigation on the accident is to be done. The kids were completely outlaw, that's not questionnable. But we have a little problem in France. Every single investigation involving police officers is closed before beginning. "The men did what they had to do, everything's fine, thank you, and goodbye". And it's always the same for twenty years at least. And the darker the skin of the victim is, the faster the cop's innocence is stated. That is what those rioters have in mind. That and a true desire for pillage and action (you can't imagine how life is boring when you are a poor kid with an almost hardcoded brutal future living in a dull place full of people like you).

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That's the point I was trying to make: there should be a clean and transparent investigation. Rioting isn't the answer but surely if there's any law, it should be applied to all citizens. The police seem to have a law only applicable to them above everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Sinan

That's the point I was trying to make: there should be a clean and transparent investigation. Rioting isn't the answer but surely if there's any law, it should be applied to all citizens. The police seem to have a law only applicable to them above everyone else.

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They won't accept the outcome, they have already decided what happened. I am so sick of this type of self-pity, always blaming everything but theirselves. 'Expression of anger' mon derriere, la haine.

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Originally Posted by Andres

It's very sad when two people die so young, but it seems like they only have themselves to blame...


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Police sources have said that in Sunday's incident, the motorcycle was going at top speed and was not registered for street use, while the two teenagers were not wearing helmets and had been ignoring traffic rules.

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There, fixed it....

Compared to the banlieux version where they put it in reverse, drove over them again, and again, and well again, pretty much believable.

Maybe its time we stopped looking at rioting french muslim teenagers as alienation, and started looking at it as assimilation?


Did we do this joke last time? Apologies if so

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Originally Posted by macsen rufus

There, fixed it....

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According to the article, local residents claimed the youths crashed into the police car, not vice-versa. And that wasn't police-sources, that was people in the neighborhood where the 2 youths died.

I understand what Tristuskhan is saying... that even if the kids were guilty, it is very suspicious to have the police investegating themselves. Don't you guys have citizen review boards? Even in benighted, backwater USA, most major city police forces have a citizen's review board they have to go before when something smells fishy.

It sounds to me that Fragony is right though. If they're rioting because of the two teenagers dying, they'd riot over anything.

And after that first police officer got shot with a shotgun, the police should have started firing back with real ammo. It's no wonder they're rioting, they don't take the police very seriously.

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If they're rioting because of the two teenagers dying, they'd riot over anything.

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Its a French thing , if they weren't rioting they would probably be on strike .



what is it with police cars and bikes that can make an angry crowd ?
http://www.noolmusic.com/blogs/polic...ce_video.shtml

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

it is very suspicious to have the police investegating themselves.

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Justice department handles that directly, but it's not perfect.

I think the French police is too lax. They know the rioters will riot for whatever reason if it only involved the police. If the rioters are armed, my belief is that police should counter same with same. I.e. if they are shot at, shoot back.

If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.

A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.

I wonder what % of these people are mu... oh never mind... :slomo:

Look at the rioters, they are the poor, alienated, discriminatated against downtrodden minority immigrants from the tenament suburbs that resemble the worst of the British inner cities.. How surprised are you at that? Because of the way they are treated in French society as a whole this was a powder keg just waiting to explode.

Look at the rioters, they are the indolent, free loading, unsociable migrant (and their offspring) dregs of society that are not interested in making a better life for themselves in a western capitalist society. Far easier to live in the self imposed ghettos with a chip on your shoulder and take offence at everything that this society can offer you, whilst at the same time taking everything this society will offer you financially.

I have a very close French friend (in Valence) and when I visit , we sit out late and talk about all sorts of things. But one thing that is very reminiscant of Britain is the problems with these types of riots, anyone remember Bradford or Oldham? Again, immigrant families with chips on shoulders that will riot because their cousin got arrested for drug dealing or some such nonsense. This was just an excuse to riot for no other reason than they wanted to in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

As if the riots have anything to do with these kids just an excuse. As if they will accept the outcome of the investigation, just shoot back. If that leads to escalation fine, keep shooting untill it's calm again. Curfew, martial law.

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That. Just shoot them until there's no remaining rioters, and we're settled.

I agree with Fragony on this one. :balloon2:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I think the French police is too lax. They know the rioters will riot for whatever reason if it only involved the police. If the rioters are armed, my belief is that police should counter same with same. I.e. if they are shot at, shoot back.

If the police don't show that they have some authority (besides moral authority) or control, they need not be surprised that rioters find the courage to cause tremendous damage.

A few shot rioters later and there should be much more calm around France in terms of riots. In general, its usually ringleaders and vocal individuals that manage to gather an angry mob, but the mob tends to disperse if the leaders are lost or they notice that those riots are not without danger to their own lives either.

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The problem, my friend, is that a few fourteen years old shot rioters later, it's just civil war... Those rioters who hold the guns are well behind the frontline (long range shotgun fire - what our dear peace force took last night - is a stupid weapon, and a bad "war" practice) and won't get shot. The mob is young, my friend, and I really don't think a handfull of (gunless) youth killed would make anyone "calm".

Just one thing about the shotgun use: the shotguns we have in france are small calibered, for use in bird and rabbit hunting only. Larger game is to be hunted with bullets only. Used at long range, it is definitely not deadly (just a nuisance for shielded troops). The police was able to perform it's mission despite this threat, without using guns. So the lack of reply by the police force was the good choice. If they can act without releasing bullets, there is no reason to open fire (and be fired at in reply, and with the few serious weapons "stockpiled" in the bloks.

But it should not happen, look: the police force controls the situation without the use of guns. What a blessing to have such a skillful and moderate police:laugh4:


Instant info from the french national radio: it seems quite smooth tonigh... not calm.... but sporadic. light skirmishes only. But there is football on TV tonigh. Horse races result: 7-3-10.

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The problem, my friend, is that a few fourteen years old

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Indeed, we used to laugh about that in a LOL@BRAZIL'esque way, but now it's there, 14 year olds completily out of control. So the hardcore is not at the frontlines? That works both ways, the watercannon will no doubt shock the 14 year old fodder enough to make them run home to mamma, leaving the true muhamadin exposed, but no.

Ah, that brings back good memories...last year a minor riot broke out in Amsterdam when a Maroccan boy crashed his scooter into a street latern and died, while fleeing from a single cop who, as it turned out, wasn't even chasing him :dizzy2:

That was just after the previous rounds of riots in France, so apparently some people do take lessons from this sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Ah, that brings back good memories...last year a minor riot broke out in Amsterdam when a Maroccan boy crashed his scooter into a street latern and died, while fleeing from a single cop who, as it turned out, wasn't even chasing him :dizzy2:

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Agreed... So I don't think the Republic must wage war on his own stupid kids. No matter how stupid they are... Cops have a bad life in the suburbs, but they have their lives really threatened when dealing with grand banditisme, bankrobbers and outlaws who have true guns, ammunition and know how to use it. Those deserve bullets, as well as the (few) terrorist networks. Rioters setting fire in furniture stores or pillaging supermarkets don't.

Anyone notice a common denominator here? I'ts none of my business but I'm guessing you are of immigrant origin by the way you are talking. Not really relevant except for the stance you are taking. So I'm bigger than my neighbour and if they start hitting me I shouldn't hit them back because I'll hurt them more than they hurt me? So what should I do? Nothing?

Sorry Tristukhan. but it's the same on most civilised countries. You show a gun of any sort (even a replica in the UK) and you are fair game for the armed Police. You even own a gun and point it in the wrong direction you should be put down before you have the chance to do anyone else some harm. Seems like sense to me.
Should I have to worry what caliber gun is pointed at me before I expect the police to take action? Stop defending the indefensible.
There is no excuse for what you are trying to defend.

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Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

Agreed... So I don't think the Republic must wage war on his own stupid kids. No matter how stupid they are... Cops have a bad life in the suburbs, but they have their lives really threatened when dealing with grand banditisme, bankrobbers and outlaws who have true guns, ammunition and know how to use it. Those deserve bullets, as well as the (few) terrorist networks. Rioters setting fire in furniture stores or pillaging supermarkets don't.

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I don't agree. Cops staying out of these suburbs only gives them the idea that they can do anything. If you think that certain types of criminals "deserve bullets" you have a really weird idea of what police power should entail. They should shoot anyone that threatens their or other people's physical safety (if there's no other way, of course)

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

I don't agree. Cops staying out of these suburbs only gives them the idea that they can do anything. If you think that certain types of criminals "deserve bullets" you have a really weird idea of what police power should entail. They should shoot anyone that threatens their or other people's physical safety (if there's no other way, of course)

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(if there's no other way, of course) my arse. They should shoot other people that threaten innocent people's lives full stop, completely, no argument... surely. The police force is there to protect me and they have that duty.

EDIT: I'm probably way out of touch. But what the hell is a "Gangsta"? Is it like a Gansgter that is black and beats his girlfriend?
I guess that makes it fashionable.

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Originally Posted by Slug For A Butt

EDIT: I'm probably way out of touch. But what the hell is a "Gangsta"? Is it like a Gansgter that is black and beats his girlfriend?
I guess that makes it fashionable.

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It's slang for gangster.