can you dismount?

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11-30-2007, 00:42
Procrustes

can you dismount?

Hi Folks,

Been away from these games for a while - looking forward to diving into M2TW. One question... can you ever dismount mounted units? In MTW you could dismount in a siege, I was hoping that you still could. (I'd love to get a few feudal knights now and then.)

In the meantime I'm having a blast playing my first full M2 campaign - I'm England, constantly at war with France & annoying the pope!

Thanks for your help,
11-30-2007, 01:08
Cheetah

Re: can you dismount?

Nope. That is the short answer.
11-30-2007, 01:09
Procrustes

Re: can you dismount?

Thanks!
11-30-2007, 01:10
YAKOBU

Re: can you dismount?

Welcome back Procrustes. ~:wave:

I'm afraid the short answer is NO.

You can get mounted and umounted versions of units but as separate units. A mounted unit can never be anything other than a mounted unit.

Shame I know.

:charge:

Aaaaaaaaargh, beaten to it !! LOL
11-30-2007, 01:17
Cheetah

Re: can you dismount?

You cannot beat a cheetah!!! ~;p ... when it is about speed! ~;)

Anyway, now I can give the medium answer: as Yakobu said you can train mounted and dismounted versions of some of the mounted units (mostly knights like feudal knights, english knights, latikons, etc) but the attack, defense stats would be different (dismounted ones having better stats) which might be one of the reasons why you cannot dismount.
11-30-2007, 02:05
Procrustes

Re: can you dismount?

Thanks - nice to be back!

Too bad - I was really hoping they would expand on that feature, not eliminate it. I liked dismounting before sieges - always wanted to do it before bridge battles, too.

OK, let's see how many battles I can get in tonight.....
11-30-2007, 03:43
WhiskeyGhost

Re: can you dismount?

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

You cannot beat a cheetah!!! ~;p ... when it is about speed! ~;)

Anyway, now I can give the medium answer: as Yakobu said you can train mounted and dismounted versions of some of the mounted units (mostly knights like feudal knights, english knights, latikons, etc) but the attack, defense stats would be different (dismounted ones having better stats) which might be one of the reasons why you cannot dismount.

then theres also the fact that if someone brings a spearman/pikeman heavy army to deal with a cavalry heavy army, and they jump off their horses, they are instantly boned :laugh4:
11-30-2007, 08:55
TheLastPrivate

Re: can you dismount?

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyGhost

then theres also the fact that if someone brings a spearman/pikeman heavy army to deal with a cavalry heavy army, and they jump off their horses, they are instantly boned :laugh4:

Probably why the feature was never added, come to think of it.
11-30-2007, 19:59
Procrustes

Re: can you dismount?

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Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate

Probably why the feature was never added, come to think of it.

In MTW1, you could only dismount before a (siege) battle - never during it. Was very handy.
12-01-2007, 16:40
Old Geezer

Re: can you dismount?

Realistically, those knights couldn't walk more than about 5 steps without falling over even if they were sober, because of those silly pointy toed shoes they wore! Besides it would be beneath their dignity to walk like just common serfs. (Actully there butts are glued to their horses; thats why the two always fall over together when one of them gets whacked.)
12-01-2007, 17:42
Abokasee

Re: can you dismount?

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Originally Posted by Old Geezer

Realistically, those knights couldn't walk more than about 5 steps without falling over even if they were sober, because of those silly pointy toed shoes they wore! Besides it would be beneath their dignity to walk like just common serfs. (Actully there butts are glued to their horses; thats why the two always fall over together when one of them gets whacked.)

Well, the armour was acually designed to be manuevarable as possible (especially plate) although undoubtly they would be slowed down alot more than your average commoner
12-01-2007, 18:33
TheLastPrivate

Re: can you dismount?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Geezer

Realistically, those knights couldn't walk more than about 5 steps without falling over even if they were sober, because of those silly pointy toed shoes they wore! Besides it would be beneath their dignity to walk like just common serfs. (Actully there butts are glued to their horses; thats why the two always fall over together when one of them gets whacked.)

A Knight in full-renaissance plate could menuever just as easily as a militia with nothing but clothes, especially because Knights trained as soon as they could walk.

Also plate armor, especially the renaissance plates from Italy (finest armorcraftsmen lived there) were light (0.3 millemeters in thickness) yet provided nearly perfect protection from most froms of attack save musket balls and maces - they weren't as clumsy as most think they would be. If you actually study the parts that make a full-plate armor, you'd be surprised how anatomically and physically adquate they were.
12-01-2007, 21:35
Whacker

Re: can you dismount?

No, you can't dismount, long and short answer, period. Yes, we've been clamoring for it ever since the game was out, would have been too much work for CA apparently.