Sources questions

What source, exactly does the statement about the grape-syrup, figs, and the sophist in "The Year in History-267 BC" come from?

I really, REALLY could use that for my paper I'm working on for trade in the Hellenistic world...

Also, does anyone have any sources on what was traded from Armenia and the Caucuses during this time? That's another gaping hole I have...

Caucuses, some gold?

Well, a lot more than just gold.

Gold, Iron, Tin, Silver, Grain, Livestock, Wine, Wood, Horses. I'll see if I can find something concrete for ya.

Foot

Sure there is something concrete and hardly any need for digging it up yourself. If you take your time to search through the descriptions of all the traits related to the works of Strabo (periergsis x etc. etc.) you will find plenty of information concerning resources. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Sure there is something concrete and hardly any need for digging it up yourself. If you take your time to search through the descriptions of all the traits related to the works of Strabo (periergsis x etc. etc.) you will find plenty of information concerning resources. ~;)

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This is the secret reason why I'm playing a Seleucid Campaign :-D

Naw, the excerpt on Kolchis has a lot...but Haysadan, not so much. However, this leads to another question--what, exactly, is the "Armenian Color" that's mentioned? I've only heard about it in Strabo...

Also, could really use the source for the sophists/grape syrup. It fills a gap I have between Seleucid rule and Bactrian rule of the region about trade and trade routes.

Could the 'Armenian colour' be the apricot that's mentioned on the loading screen as the Hayasdan royal colour? Either that, or it could be light blue, if Strabo played EB. :)

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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Could the 'Armenian colour' be the apricot that's mentioned on the loading screen as the Hayasdan royal colour? Either that, or it could be light blue, if Strabo played EB. :)

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I haven't the foggiest ideas. The way it's mentioned in Strabo seems to suggest it's <i>mined</i>, yet it's also a dye.

Hence, serious WTF.

Athenaeus' Deipnosophists, book 14, 67:
You can find the text of it here (there is a lot more than just the stuff from section 67 though):
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi...igs&pview=hide

Now with respect to dried figs: those which came from Attica were always considered a great deal the best. Accordingly Dinon, in his History of Persia, says- "And they used to serve up at the royal table all the fruits which the earth produces as far as the king's dominions extend, being brought to him from every district as a sort of first-fruits. And (?) Xerxes did not think it fitting for the kings either to eat or drink anything which came from any foreign country; and this idea gradually acquired the force of a law. For once, when one of the eunuchs brought the king, among the rest of the dishes at dessert, some Athenian dried figs, the king asked where they came from. And when he heard that they came from Athens, he forbade those who had bought them to buy them for him any more, until it should be in his power to take them whenever he chose, and not to buy them. And it is said that the eunuch did this on purpose, with a view to remind him of the expedition against Attica." And Alexis, in his Pilot, says-
Then came in figs, the emblem of fair Athens,
And bunches of sweet thyme.

And Lynceus, in his letter to the comic poet, Poseidippus, says- "In the delineation of the tragic passions, I do not think that Euripides is at all superior to Sophocles, but in dried figs, I do think that Attica is superior to every other country on earth." And in his letter to Diagoras, he writes thus:- "But this country opposes to the chelidonian dried figs those which are called brigindarides, which in their name indeed are barbarous, but which in delicious flavour are not at all less Attic than the others. And Phoenicides, in his Hated Woman, says-
(A) They celebrate the praise of myrtle-berries,
Of honey, of the Propylaea, and of figs;
Now these I tasted when I first arrived-
(B) And the Propylaea?
(A) Yet have I found nothing
Which to a woodcock can for taste compare.

In which lines we must take notice of the mention of the woodcock. But Philemon, in his treatise On Attic Names, says that "the most excellent dried figs are those called aegalides; and that Aegila is the name of a deme in Attica, which derives its name from a hero called Aegilus; but that the dried figs of a reddish black colour are called chelidonian." Theopompus also, in the Peace, praising the Teithrasian figs, speaks thus-
Barley cakes, cheesecakes, and Teithrasian figs.

But dried figs were so very much sought after by all men, (for really, as Aristophanes says- "There's really nothing nicer than dried figs;") that even Amitrochates, the king of the Indians, wrote to Antiochus, entreating him (it is Hegesander who tells this story) to buy and send him some sweet wine, [653] and some dried figs, and a sophist; and that Antiochus wrote to him in answer, "The dried figs and the sweet wine we will send you; but it is not lawful for a sophist to be sold in Greece." The Greeks were also in the habit of eating dried figs roasted, as Pherecrates proves by what he says in the Coriannō, where we find-
But pick me out some of those roasted figs.

And a few lines later he says-
Will you not bring me here some black dried figs ?
Do you understand ? Among the Mariandyni,
That barbarous tribe, they call these black dried figs
Their pots.

I am aware, too, that Pamphilus has mentioned a kind of dried figs, which he calls procnides.

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Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Athenaeus' Deipnosophists, book 14, 67:
You can find the text of it here (there is a lot more than just the stuff from section 67 though):
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi...igs&pview=hide

Now with respect to dried figs: those which came from Attica were always considered a great deal the best. Accordingly Dinon, in his History of Persia, says- "And they used to serve up at the royal table all the fruits which the earth produces as far as the king's dominions extend, being brought to him from every district as a sort of first-fruits. And (?) Xerxes did not think it fitting for the kings either to eat or drink anything which came from any foreign country; and this idea gradually acquired the force of a law. For once, when one of the eunuchs brought the king, among the rest of the dishes at dessert, some Athenian dried figs, the king asked where they came from. And when he heard that they came from Athens, he forbade those who had bought them to buy them for him any more, until it should be in his power to take them whenever he chose, and not to buy them. And it is said that the eunuch did this on purpose, with a view to remind him of the expedition against Attica." And Alexis, in his Pilot, says-
Then came in figs, the emblem of fair Athens,
And bunches of sweet thyme.

And Lynceus, in his letter to the comic poet, Poseidippus, says- "In the delineation of the tragic passions, I do not think that Euripides is at all superior to Sophocles, but in dried figs, I do think that Attica is superior to every other country on earth." And in his letter to Diagoras, he writes thus:- "But this country opposes to the chelidonian dried figs those which are called brigindarides, which in their name indeed are barbarous, but which in delicious flavour are not at all less Attic than the others. And Phoenicides, in his Hated Woman, says-
(A) They celebrate the praise of myrtle-berries,
Of honey, of the Propylaea, and of figs;
Now these I tasted when I first arrived-
(B) And the Propylaea?
(A) Yet have I found nothing
Which to a woodcock can for taste compare.

In which lines we must take notice of the mention of the woodcock. But Philemon, in his treatise On Attic Names, says that "the most excellent dried figs are those called aegalides; and that Aegila is the name of a deme in Attica, which derives its name from a hero called Aegilus; but that the dried figs of a reddish black colour are called chelidonian." Theopompus also, in the Peace, praising the Teithrasian figs, speaks thus-
Barley cakes, cheesecakes, and Teithrasian figs.

But dried figs were so very much sought after by all men, (for really, as Aristophanes says- "There's really nothing nicer than dried figs;") that even Amitrochates, the king of the Indians, wrote to Antiochus, entreating him (it is Hegesander who tells this story) to buy and send him some sweet wine, [653] and some dried figs, and a sophist; and that Antiochus wrote to him in answer, "The dried figs and the sweet wine we will send you; but it is not lawful for a sophist to be sold in Greece." The Greeks were also in the habit of eating dried figs roasted, as Pherecrates proves by what he says in the Coriannō, where we find-
But pick me out some of those roasted figs.

And a few lines later he says-
Will you not bring me here some black dried figs ?
Do you understand ? Among the Mariandyni,
That barbarous tribe, they call these black dried figs
Their pots.

I am aware, too, that Pamphilus has mentioned a kind of dried figs, which he calls procnides.

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Thank you VERY much:-)

Come to think of it, I should post this paper here, when it's done--I bet there's a lot of people who would enjoy reading it.