Funny realization occured...

...I was just watching Narnia (Old and Childish movie yes), and at the end there is this "big" battle. I thought to myself...why isn't this guy making a great morale boosting speech. Good thing his troops are located at the bottom of a hill, his range has an uphill advantage. I wonder where his cavalry is, how is he going to flank around like Alexander? A few central units of phalanxes would sure be useful in pinning down the front ranks.

Then it hit me... TOO MUCH EB FOR ME! I'm having these thoughts during a freaking children's movie..haha :laugh4:

anyone had a similar experience?


The kid sucks as a commander btw haha :wall:

Yes, this happens to me al the time, whenever I read a book or watch a film, I keep thinking what an absolute moron, I could have done it so much better.

The one film that made me almost pass out from how dumb it was. Wind Talkers, with Nicholas Cage.

The army used a native American language to dispatch coded messages to HQ since all their other codes were intercepted and deciphered by Nazi Germany and Japan during WWII.

This movie had people risking their lives to have these "Code Capable" men dispatch these "Secret" and indecipherable codes for the stupidest reasons. Such as requesting an artillery strike on a fortified position, in which this strike will arrive in under a minute.

Because within 1 minute, the enemy will be able to evacuate their fortified position of hundreds of men if the transmission was given in any language but this hard to crack code. Such stupidity...


As a side note...while watching this Narnia...the commander ordered a full scale retreat and I thought to myself "But you will take heavy losses when turning your back on the enemy" haha.

Then I almost fell out of my chair when I saw they retreated into a valley where they have archers perched on top...why not fight their in the first place rather than battle on an open field while outnumbered.

I think I'm an ass for going so harshly on this children's movie hehe

Well, I don't see how calling in close air support and artillery is a stupid reason. Its actually one of the things that they did in real life though it included more types of things dealing with sensitive information.

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Well, I don't see how calling in close air support and artillery is a stupid reason. Its actually one of the things that they did in real life though it included more types of things dealing with sensitive information.

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Sorry if I didn't make sense.

One of the scenes was a small fortified position with a machine gun turret pinning some troops down. They already had cannons from a nearby battleship (Not air support) pointing in the general direction and all that was required was a quick radio call asking for cannon support and giving the exact location of the enemy placement.

Men died to get this code talker over to a radio to do this..in which he speaks the code in and 30 seconds the enemy fortification explodes. It doesn't matter if the enemy knew of this or not.

I agree, the code is really valuable for sensitive information..such as troop locations, movements, etc. The movie failed to provide any scenes where the code was used for any sensitive information, the only times the code was used was for immediate things such as a the example given above.

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Yes, this happens to me al the time, whenever I read a book or watch a film, I keep thinking what an absolute moron, I could have done it so much better.

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Hehe, I know what you mean. I'm always yelling at the moron on the TV set within my mind.

"Hold back the reserves! No, don't charge you idiot! Flank now, damn you!"

Was like that with LoTR. I kept yelling at the incredulously stupid "men" for breaking formation and fighting the orcs in 1-1 combat. Same went for Gladiator and many other movies. Can't help myself.

I feel your pain tapanojum.:shame:

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Originally Posted by TWFanatic

Was like that with LoTR. I kept yelling at the incredulously stupid "men" for breaking formation and fighting the orcs in 1-1 combat.

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I never figured out why Aragorn ordered a charge after one volley once the orcs broke through the walls in Helms Deep.

Idiot, just keep firing until all the arrows are gone

He should have done some more :book: about military strategy.:wall:

As for Narnia.....

They need a better leader who doen't retreat after lossing 10 fighters.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by tapanojum

I agree, the code is really valuable for sensitive information..such as troop locations, movements, etc. The movie failed to provide any scenes where the code was used for any sensitive information, the only times the code was used was for immediate things such as a the example given above.

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Exactly. Information about the location, movement and planned maneuvers of your own troops are FAR more sensitive than information about the location of the enemy, or the calling in of artillery/airstrike/etc. against them. The enemy bloody well know where they are, and for immediate orders (like calling in artillery fire), they wont have time to react on the signals intelligence anyway.

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Originally Posted by LordofUmbar

I never figured out why Aragorn ordered a charge after one volley once the orcs broke through the walls in Helms Deep.

Idiot, just keep firing until all the arrows are gone

He should have done some more :book: about military strategy.:wall:

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Lol I felt the same way about that, and how several elves literally ran head on into the pikes, I appreciate they were running slightly downhill, but I thought they were nimble:gah:

And yeah they should have just kept on firing :smg:



@TWFanatic- Am I right in thinking you meant the men of minas tirith in the return of the king, cause if so I agree, they can't form a line, nevermind hold one

I remember wondering where the hell is the shield wall?

:2cents:

And the orcs who run from the rohrim, I mean, I end up wanting them to win, I think, your f***ing pikmen, hold the line, damn, you hold the f***ing line, noooo don't turn you backs, what good is that going to do??

And, why why, why, do you have all those mumakil and wolf cavalry, and not put out anti cav screens? I mean the wolf cav would be perfect for scarring off the horses, and elephant type things have aways made superb anti cav screens. They've not got infantry back up, all you need to do is make the horses balk, and then counter charge. I mean, what a bunch of complete 20watt morons.

:gah:

As for that manbeast and her dual sword hamstringing thing, just Gah, Gah, GAH!!!!

Women should stay at home and leave fighting to the men!!

when she gets hit with that mace, it should snap her arm like a twig, and break a half a dozen ribs as well.

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:


I hate her.


Sorry, just had to say al that.:shame:

I was expecting the Rohirrim to get cut down when they foolishly decided to stay in melee instead of pulling out for another charge. But then I found out LOTR isn't realistic! Who would have guessed that?

In fact the book is much more realistic than film. In book Rohirim charge in the back of enemy who put all effort towards the wall. At the very start they mop up some inf screen and then just charge into unprepared mob in three huge wedges. Haradrim coutercharge with cav but are overpowered and then they send Mumakils.

I find the people who write scripts for films generaly do not care for any such thing as formation, battle order etc. Generaly theyre image of "battle" is huge mob mixed completely and fighting like if it was pub fight.

the stupidiest thing in LotR movie was the battle at the gate of Mordor when surrounded forces of gondor and Rohan instead of keeping good position just break formation and rush forward without any order.
Obviously in a book they just stand in circles on two hills and try to hold shield wall...
And the charge at Helm's Deep (that one that rushed from 45 degr slope not the "bridge charge"). Why oh God? Why? In reality they will just roll over... could't they just keep infantry descending from hills like in a book?

Not to go too off topic but has anyone seen the teaser for Prince Caspian? I like the greek style face plates for the cavalry in the new Narnia film. And BTW, are you talking about the cartoon or the live action Narnia? Because in the movie the good guys are on the top of a hill and do have cavalry.

I can't get too mad about formations and such. It's nice when I see it, but if they get the drama right I'm fine. Starship troopers had guys running like it was Stalingrad with no backup. But the moment before the drop was pretty emotional so that made it good. Films are supposed to be exciting and focusing on protocol and forming up the ranks is boring without spicing it up a little I.e some guy fighting away from his formation, flaming arrows and logs or what have you.

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Not to go too off topic

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This thread has a topic?:inquisitive:


You amaze me sir. :bow:

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I find the people who write scripts for films generaly do not care for any such thing as formation, battle order etc. Generaly theyre image of "battle" is huge mob mixed completely and fighting like if it was pub fight.

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When was the last time you saw a script writer who had any military knowledge. They should make people at movie making school play TW games so they can learn a thing or two about military strategy.

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Originally Posted by Moosemanmoo

Lol I felt the same way about that, and how several elves literally ran head on into the pikes, I appreciate they were running slightly downhill, but I thought they were nimble:gah:

And yeah they should have just kept on firing :smg:

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I feel the same way (don't we all). There are so many moments in the LOTR movies where I wish I could just take command for a second and show the elves and Rohirrim :charge: (and the movie makers) how real life battles work. Every time I watch it, I keep thinking I could have done things better.

One other thing about Helms Deep battle - in the book Legolas say sth like:
"If a hundred of my fellow elves were here, we will shot them all".

In movie you have at least 300 elves....

We are playing toooooo much EB:inquisitive:

EB team needs to hire a psychologist to give free advice on this forum.:wall: Any one interested.

Cheers

my friends mom is a psychologist..... lol

Starship troopers...... I understand the opening scene where they first drop because they thought they would just shoot up some bugs...but when they repeatedly send nonstop waves of infantry that whole movie with no armoured vehicles or anything of that type...that depressed me

and the fact that their entire space fleet just hovered above the planet within range of that explosive bug plasma sh!t and the entire fleet got shot down...very..ugh..

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One other thing about Helms Deep battle - in the book Legolas say sth like:
"If a hundred of my fellow elves were here, we will shot them all".

In movie you have at least 300 elves....

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yeah but in the books there were no elven reinforcements :wall:

Well Orlando Bloom was a better commander and soldier in Kingdom of Heaven.

If I were the commander in the battle at the end of Narnia I'd of SOMEHOW gotten ahold of armored indian elephants .


And maybe some kataphraktoi . Hey Ice Queen I hope you like Konto's shoved up your rear's ass !

I liked his centaur cavalry tho..no need to train your horse since you are the horse...can repeatedly charge flanks...too bad they were the front line troops..lol

I personally would of lilked the Griphon ass my bodygaurd unit..too bad in the movie 1 single arrow takes each one down..lol

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Starship troopers...... I understand the opening scene where they first drop because they thought they would just shoot up some bugs...but when they repeatedly send nonstop waves of infantry that whole movie with no armoured vehicles or anything of that type...that depressed me

and the fact that their entire space fleet just hovered above the planet within range of that explosive bug plasma sh!t and the entire fleet got shot down...very..ugh..

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Yeah... that was pretty retarded... but atleast someone got fired for it. The book was like 100x and is actually required reading for Westpoint and the cartoon is atleast 10x better.

I do find myself yelling at a fair share of movies but I'll over look it if it has a good story and is mildly entertaining.:beam:

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Starship troopers...... I understand the opening scene where they first drop because they thought they would just shoot up some bugs...but when they repeatedly send nonstop waves of infantry that whole movie with no armoured vehicles or anything of that type...that depressed me

and the fact that their entire space fleet just hovered above the planet within range of that explosive bug plasma sh!t and the entire fleet got shot down...very..ugh..

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The movie is, the way I see it, deliberately silly in the way things are conducted. This goes to the braindead battle tactics as well as everything else.

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Yeah... that was pretty retarded... but atleast someone got fired for it. The book was like 100x and is actually required reading for Westpoint and the cartoon is atleast 10x better.

I do find myself yelling at a fair share of movies but I'll over look it if it has a good story and is mildly entertaining.:beam:

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It's a love it or hate it film. I actually was bored and put the book down. Unemotional and too detailed for what actually goes on in the book. Liked the power armor though and how the capital ships shot them towards the ground. Yeah the marine corp has taken a love to the book the second it was published. They're even trying to create the stuff in the book.

It's easier to overlook the tactical thing when you see the movie as a parody which is the obvious intention.

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It's a love it or hate it film. I actually was bored and put the book down. Unemotional and too detailed for what actually goes on in the book. Liked the power armor though and how the capital ships shot them towards the ground. Yeah the marine corp has taken a love to the book the second it was published. They're even trying to create the stuff in the book.

It's easier to overlook the tactical thing when you see the movie as a parody which is the obvious intention.

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I guess I should of realized this when the guy was riding a bug like a bull, shot through its back, threw a grenade into it. Then later climbed down and said he was captain of his football team...ha

I hate it when the hero gets captured instead of getting killed strait away.:sweatdrop:

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I hate it when the hero gets captured instead of getting killed strait away.:sweatdrop:

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I hate it when in movies the hero is about to get killed...but for some reason the bad guy talks for 15 minutes and takes another 20 to thrust the sword or pull the trigger...which by this time..the entire town is there to stop him/her.