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Originally Posted by Beskar
AFAIK, race is a very clumsy term which isn't actually very accurate or specific enough. Mostly though, it is especially tainted with the politics of "race" that were in vogue throughout the Imperial & modern age and of course culminated in the excesses of teh nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
The key difference between Etnicity and Race as terms is that the former includes cultural influences rather than physical traits. AFAIK rascism is about believing an indivdual is who they are because of their appearance, genetics and ancestry; ethnicism is about believing an individual to be who they are as a result of culture, religion, language, history and ancestry.
So
"Brown people are silly", "Blacks are stupid", "Asians are good at maths", "White man is an imperialist pig" would be racism?
and
"Arabs are terrorists", "African culture is about gang wars and rap", "Tibetans are a bunch of monks", "French are surrender monkeys" would be ethnicism?
Please excuse if my examples sound made up, I'm not the most knowledgeable person concerning stereotypes of that sort. :sweatdrop:
Really? You've done such a good job there... must be your naturaly superior aryan genes. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Well, I think race, ethnicity, nationality etc. are often overlapping and different people often use somewhat different definitions so I don't find the whole concept all that clear.
You just agreed that French and arab are ethnicities for example, yet one is a nationality and the other is more of a meta-concept that includes people who speak a certain language over many different nationalities for some, and people living in a certain region for others.
It could be nice to see a venn diagram displaying this as there are many concepts that all mean subtly different things.
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Fair point, there are differing interpretations of Ethnicity though:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
From wikipedia:
Writing about the usage of the term "ethnic" in the ordinary language of Great Britain and the United States, Wallman notes that
The term 'ethnic' popularly connotes 'race' in Britain, only less precisely, and with a lighter value load. In North America, by contrast, 'race' most commonly means color, and 'ethnics' are the descendents of relatively recent immigrants from non-English-speaking countries. 'Ethnic' is not a noun in Britain. In effect there are no 'ethnics'; there are only 'ethnic relations'.[23]
Thus, in today's everyday language, the words "ethnic" and "ethnicity" still have a ring of exotic peoples, minority issues and race relations.
Within the social sciences, however, the usage has become more generalized to all human groups that explicitly regard themselves and are regarded by others as culturally distinctive.[24] Among the first to bring the term "ethnic group" into social studies was the German sociologist Max Weber, who defined it as:
Those human groups that entertain a subjective belief in their common descent because of similarities of physical type or of customs or both, or because of memories of colonization and migration; this belief must be important for group formation; furthermore it does not matter whether an objective blood relationship exists.
er, this is the realm of social science. 'ere be dragons an' no Ven diagrams.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
And any of them could get you a warning point...or threeQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Blacker the berry, sweeter the juice... if you get a chance, get some...
Where I am, ethnicity tends to mean one's ethnic background/descent (i.e. English, Scottish, German, Thai, Cree, etc.). Race, on the other hand, is a term that isn't used too much, but I think it's something to refer to white, black, etc. It seems... obselete, maybe?
Not yet, unfortunately, but hopefully it will become so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
I went for nr. 2, not so much because it was accurate as for 1 being a bit too extreme. How attractive a woman is comes down to her femininity for me, regardless of race, and while I can think of attractive women from all races I find women of European and north-east Asian origin to be more so on average. By femininity I mean not so much behaviour as physical features; how finely chiseled and soft the lines of the face are, the size of their limbs (big hands and feet come across as manly), the pallour of the skin (the paler the better) and the amount of hair growth outside of the scalp. If she has prominent hips and breasts that's a welcome addition, but if the above mentioned are in place whether she is skinny or curvy is of second importance.