Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)

Talks of peace are pointless, and you make bold demands for one who will soon be gutted like a boar. Instead of such fairy-tails, allow me to propose you the only conditions that make sense:

1. Wales is destroyed and you do not mention them again.
2. You disband all of your armies, save for two units of milita per city for garrisoning purposes.
3. You disband all of your fleets.
4. King Brian submits to justice for his betrayal and backstabbing attack versus England.
5. Ireland returns all English settlements to England.
6. All Irish castles are granted to Norway for overseeing and to prevent further armies and backstabbing.
7. Norway keeps what it has conquered until now.
8. We place agents in your remaining cities to ensure that they are not converted to castles and that you do not build a single ship.
9. You agree to trade with England and Norway.

Nonsense, it is clear you are bloodthirsty tyrant. We can add Newcastle to the settlements to go to england immediately, and Lancaster at some later point, further than that, and you are making absurd demands.

Our demands are just. So we will just take what is rightfully ours. See you on the battlefield, Brian King!

The Welsh representative speaks up.

"It is quite clear that John of England has no honour in this matter. First of all he called for the death of Llywelyn. He is dead, we have offered peace in good faith and he demands our destruction.

So you can see, King Haakon, that sadly there is no hope of peace in this matter. If you truly desire peace, threaten to withdraw militarily support from John until he is willing to offer peace, even if it is to the disadvantage, rather than the destruction, of our people."

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Igno you have a lot of arcade badges!

I agree completely with the Welsh diplomat. England has refused our every offer of peace. Seeing as you have stated peace as your desire, the best way to create it is if Norway threatens to remove its support from england. Perhaps then they will see fit to accept these very reasonable terms of peace.

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"We demanded Llywelyn's submittance to our justice. His answer was quite snide and full of spite. He even sent us a message stating "you cannot hope to catch me now.", and demanded provinces. Now as the Welsh face death they have suddenly dropped all demands for lands and just want to save their hides.

We see the same situation with Ireland. They make demands now, but when we come knocking on their castle walls they will be happy just being left alive, instead of having unjust desires for lands they never had any claim to!

We say once more - Wales invaded. We offered terms which they rejected. From then on we have denounced any further attempts of diplomacy from them as simple stalling tactics to raise more troops for Llywelyn. Now that he is dead they hold no leverage and the only thing we can say is - you should have though about it when we gave you the chance.

To Ireland we can say this: submit Brian King to justice, disband your armies and gives a way to be sure you will not raise new armies and stab us in the back once more. Those who have betrayed the trust of their peers must work towards regaining it, not make absurd demands! We state now, that if we have to chase Brian around the countryside and corner him in a barn, in order to bring him to justice, Ireland will see no better treatment than Wales.

Norway and England have been allies for some time now, and Norway has raised a mighty army. Truthfully If I had been in King Haakon's shoes I would have spent this time raiding an Ireland with her skirt up, instead of talking about pointless peace. Haakon nearly bankrupted his nation to aid me in this war, and I will not ask him for peace unless he genuinely wishes for it."

Then you are beyond hope. I hope you enjoy seeing the common people suffer, for that is what your love of war will cause.

wales!
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Owen the Chancellor utters but two words, looking John squarely in the eye.

Uae uictus!

OOC: the funny thing is that IRL I love Celtic culture, I listen to Celtic music (love how Gaelec sounds) and I've read a rather thick tome on Celtic Myths and Legends :)

BTW I'll be away from today until Friday, FYI. I game with most of you in my other hotseats as well, so you can spread the word.

Norway!

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Ah, I love the smell of burning enemy settlements in the morning.

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So I take it despite your stated intentions of bringing peace you are as much a war monger as the english.

Only if you think the Norse King would make an Apocalyse Now reference.

If Ireland makes an immediate withdrawal from all settlements and forts in Britain and sails back to their own Isle the Norse will happily resume peace and trade with them. And I'd be wary of calling England and its allies warmongers. The English did not begin this war.

I think it is impossible to say who truly started this war, but if you and England agree to the terms I stated, with my withdrawing from england entirely rather than partially, will you then return what you have taken and go to peace?

Our signing of a treaty would be contingent on England's agreement, at least presently. After the repeated refusals of the Welsh king to come to terms he will likely want better assurances they won't be in a position to attack England again.

The welsh king has not refused peace treaties, the english king has.

The Norse emissary laughs.

Well, now that old king Llywelyn is dead I suppose that's accurate enough.

OOC: I have at least on 5 times offered peace to Myth, demanding far less than was deserved. You've got to give him credit for hanging on, but he was the aggressor.

OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.

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Welsh rampages in English territory?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJciVUY0uI

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Originally Posted by Zim

OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.

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Yeah, well they wanted me to give up Caernarfon and be reduced to 2 provinces...

You wanted to be granted Caernavernon (which I conquered after your initial invasion) AND you wanted to keep Glocuester and a couple of other English territories you had taken. Those are hardly great terms for me especially since it was clear that England can win a slugfest if it survives the initial Welsh blitzkrieg. I knew your free troops would run out of steam sooner or later, so I did not accept sub-par offers for peace that would just let Llywelyn create a monster full stack and become very costly to beat (if at all).

Wrong, but I won't argue.

Defeated the Irish stack and that one Welsh unit that were besieging my latest re-conquest. They cannot move next turn. Also a reminder that boats can't be attacked in ports. I lured Wales away so it can't reinforce the stone fort North of Nottingham, and now that Irish army there is doomed. Next turn, some more heads will roll!

Ireland up!

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Norway!!!

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BTW, the numbering system has gone all over the place - last turn it skipped from 24 to 26.

We may need to replay the last turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.

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Originally Posted by Zim

We may need to replay the last turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.

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Oh, ya, your right, I did that.

I completely forgot about this as I've been fighting people that go before me so far. I'll replay my turn ASP