Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

It doesn't have to be votes. I noticed this many times in TGFI. I would accuse somebody with some argument, but not vote them. People would still jump on my logic--hence bandwagon. Going after a popular candidate without good reason is bandwagoning. The popular is the important part.

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'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:

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I dislike Sasaki primarily from his behavior in Capo, so the first round will normally result in my initial vote always being for him, at least until someone else irks me. If an arguement presents itself where an individual oversteps themselves an presents a tell about their position that indicates that they might possiblily be mafia - I would change my vote. However no arguement truely presented itself in that round.

Ichigo maintain my vote for his lynch from his multiple change of votes, his defense in the second round will most likely result in a recasting of the same vote for him to be lynched in the next round. Unless of course in the next two days of discussion a better tell is given for whom might be the mafia.

So I am in a wait and see mode concerning the discussion. So far there are a couple of individuals on my watch list but nothing concrete as of yet.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.

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He threw a few random votes in. He bandwagoned you.

Day 2 bandwagon is worse than day 1 bandwagon.

Something interesting I've noticed is this tidbit from the execution post.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Abstained: 7 (Dutch_guy, pevergreen, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Rythmic, Sir Boo, Caius Flaminius)

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I kept my own count, so this surprised me, and I went back through all the posts in that round.

Dutch Guy made post #194.
Caius Flaminius made posts #238, #252 and #253.

In none of these posts did they actually vote. Now this may be a GH mistake, but making several posts in a round without actually voting seems rather odd. Moreover none of these posts contained much substance, commenting uncommittedly on others' posts. I'll read through Caius Flaminius' posts again to see if there's a pattern, but for now he's my main suspect. It might help if players in other games where Caius is more prominent can comment on his style there.

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:




Yup, you did give a reason for voting Pever, but you didn't give one for voting HughTower. You just posted "Unvote:whoever, Vote:HughTower".
In other games you always mentioned your reason for voting. So I still wonder why you voted him. It was also the 5th vote on him. Did you vote to make sure a townie got lynched? Please tell me Csar, why did you vote HughTower and why didn't you bother to give any explanation while voting?

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I've been really been squeezed for time lately. I just changed my vote then put my reasoning in later. If that makes me guilty then so be it.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by HughTower

'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.

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I gave reason's for my bandwagon votes. Just because they weren't at the same time of my vote doesn't make me guilty.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

You called it my 'mistake' first, Ichigo. I was using your terminology (see post #219).

Because you did it 4 times in lynch cycle & only gave a reason after you were challenged on it. No-one else comes close.





Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.

Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).

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I didn't say mistake, I said you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd.

So what your saying is I'm guilty for voting someone without giving a reason? No ones for sure in the first round my first two votes were for reactions and my third and fourth I've already explained. If you want to continue this pointless arguement further be my guest, but your arguements are pointless and they aren't getting you anywhere.

As for Sasaki I don't know what he's doing.

So Im guilty?

you are wrong.Im not guilty.Im just a kid who needs sleep.

Haha, belated post to announce that I'm innocent!

I think I figured out the criteria- any vote but Sasaki's is a bandwagon. :idea2:

Seriously, anyone who votes for someone based on in thread discussion is pushing a bandwagon by his criteria- it's lunacy. :dizzy2:

I've come to the conclusion that Sasaki is up to something. He's been able to help generate helpful discussion in other games, but now it just seems that he's muddying up the waters and obfuscating. :thumbsdown:

I've counted people who post but don't vote as an abstain in the past.

I know it's been in place since Mafia V, possibly in Mafia IV.

General:

Thanks for letting me know. I was not aware of that and I am one of those vote counter types.


Inactive Voters (post count):

No votes at all =

Dutch (5), Fenring (2), Iggy (1), Jimbob (1), Motep (1), & Warluster (1)



withdrew one vote, missed second =

pevergreen (9)



one abstain & one no vote =

Chugg (3)



abstained twice [written vote, not assumed] =

Arach (5) , Rhythmic (5)



Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?

To a lesser extent, I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.



Most of the 1/2 posters seem wog-meat to me, but it is at least mildly suspicious to find someone posting without voting in any decisive way.

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To a lesser extent, I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.

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I'm still here, just struggling to understand and keep up.

I random voted Sasaki. As soon as it looked like it was serious, I took my vote off.

In this game, It's going to take a bit to make me vote. Don't expect my votes to come easily.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

I random voted Sasaki. As soon as it looked like it was serious, I took my vote off.

In this game, It's going to take a bit to make me vote. Don't expect my votes to come easily.

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I refuse to answer to your facist questions. :bow:


:beam:

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I bow to your wisdom

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

:bow:

I bow to your wisdom

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:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

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I thought you'de like that.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

I think I figured out the criteria- any vote but Sasaki's is a bandwagon. :idea2:

Seriously, anyone who votes for someone based on in thread discussion is pushing a bandwagon by his criteria- it's lunacy. :dizzy2:

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If it's a vote I disagree with ~D

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I've come to the conclusion that Sasaki is up to something. He's been able to help generate helpful discussion in other games, but now it just seems that he's muddying up the waters and obfuscating. :thumbsdown:

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It seems your criteria for when I'm being helpful is whether I'm accusing you or not. You seem a bit reactionary, I think my vote was good.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I didn't say mistake, I said you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd.

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Then what's this then?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo in post 209

Other than that I only voted for you after you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd(no offense Sigurd). Now it seems like your just trying to attack me for your mistake. Your last point proves mine I wouldn't be so foolish as to make such a obvious error.

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I'm actually trying to attack you for your mistake(s). I attacked Sigurd because he used a contrived reason to join a bandwagon. That is why you two are on my suspect list. You will both stay there until I feel suspicion is removed, either by being killed by Mafia, or by acting in ways which are more helpful to the town than they have been.

In the meantime, I am not offended, or ever have been. In fact, I feel like dancing.

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.

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I'm more of the silent type. At the moment I've got an 14 page word document with analysis of the majority of the posts in this game as of the start of this page.

If you want my opinion on suspects of right now they would have to be Ichigo and Sigurd. To a lesser extent Stig. The only question now is will I end up dead like HughTower?

You can't not trust Ichigo he "refuses to answer to your facist questions."

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The only person who has voted to lynch an innocent so far is Sasaki [Orb, round 1]. This is hardly conclusive at this stage, as we have only one vote to analyze and little sense of a baseline.

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

To a lesser extent Stig.

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How about a reason?

Am I attacking your already dead mafiamate Hughtower?

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

The only person who has voted to lynch an innocent so far is Sasaki [Orb, round 1]. This is hardly conclusive at this stage, as we have only one vote to analyze and little sense of a baseline.

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And all those who voted for me. You may not (be able to) believe or trust me, but I know it to be true.

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Originally Posted by Stig

How about a reason?

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Stig - do you believe reasons for voting to be essential then? If so, we might actually share some common ground here. I'd consider that progress in the context of our recent relationship.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?

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I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Stig - do you believe reasons for voting to be essential then? If so, we might actually share some common ground here. I'd consider that progress in the context of our recent relationship.

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Erhh yeah I kinda do. It doesn't have to be a long 5 paragraph post, even: sounds suspicious is good enough for me, aslong as you give a reason

and:
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get away from me

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Then what's this then?



I'm actually trying to attack you for your mistake(s). I attacked Sigurd because he used a contrived reason to join a bandwagon. That is why you two are on my suspect list. You will both stay there until I feel suspicion is removed, either by being killed by Mafia, or by acting in ways which are more helpful to the town than they have been.

In the meantime, I am not offended, or ever have been. In fact, I feel like dancing.

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

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Well you should make your posts correct then in the other one it says 219 not 209.

I refuse to answer your facist questions.

Due to real life, the kills will be posted somewhat later than their usual time.

Would you prefer if I just listed who was killed now and edit it later or just wait until I'm around long enough to post the usual description?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Due to real life, the kills will be posted somewhat later than their usual time.

Would you prefer if I just listed who was killed now and edit it later or just wait until I'm around long enough to post the usual description?

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I'd say kill them now, write it up later. It just allows the game to continue.

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Some villagers had had enough of the terror that had occured the past two days, but not Rythmic. No, he had hosted a barbeque party after Disco's lynching. The few people that showed up had decided to feast on the same chickens that had killed poor Orb the day before. It seemed very satisfying.

Rythmic now sat in his chair, enjoying some leftover pieces of chicken breast for breakfast (he didn't feel like making pancakes). All in all, life seemed pretty good. Evidently he had forgotten about the threat of the mafia. However, that wouldn't last long.

"Do you like meat, Rythmic?"

Rythmic would have turned around, shocked, if it wasn't for the fact that his piece of chicken had been loaded up with artificial tryptophan, which made him instantly fall asleep.

Some time later, Rythmic opened his eyes, only to find more darkness. Apparently he had been blindfolded. He tried to take it off, but discovered that he was tied up. This was not good. He could hear footsteps approaching him. Someone had noticed that he was awake.

"What is wrong with you people," a voice asked. "Eating those innocent animals! What the hell are you doing?"

"Mmph!" Rythmic tried to break free, with no luck. If the blindfold wasn't on he would have seen the mafioso grinning.

"Now Rythmic, you like a good spanking?"

"No!"

"Too bad. That question was rhetorical. This one, however, isn't: If you would lie down next to let's say two horses, who would you prefer to receive some severe whipping: the horses or yourself?"

"Well..." Rythmic said, "I truly like horses and I don't want them to suffer, but, erm..." All of the sudden, Rythmic started to panic and he screamed: "Please! Don't hurt me! Give the horses a hard beating! I will feel sorry for them, I'll be traumatized, it will cause me pain... Beat them! Please, don't hurt me, I don't like pain!"

"Well", the mafioso said, "you asked for it..."

The mafioso tore away the blindfold and Rythmic realized his mistake when he saw he was tied up between two horses, his neck attached to one horse, his feet to the other.

The mafioso took his whip and started to beat the two horses, yelling.

"Come on horsies! Run! Run!"

The horses started to run, tearing Rythmic apart in several pieces.

The mafioso smiled: "You know what they say Rythmic: 'When in doubt, let your horse do the thinkin'!'"

Many people were still living their normal lives, unaware of poor Rythmic's predicament. One of these people was sapi, who was meeting with his villager friend for lunch at his own place.

sapi's mouth was full of food. "Mmm - you know, this is really good, I usually don't appreciate my food this much, but this is delicious! You really lucked out, my friend, my food decided to get good at the right time.

sapi's "friend" smiled. "That's because I filled it with Scopolamine. It's a very accurate truth serum with the added benefits of it tasting rather excellent, plus the fact that you won't remember anything once you get it out of your system. However, I don't think that will be much of a worry in your case..."

"Ffffrgtzzzz." The drug was already working. sapi would now only be able to speak if he was asked a question.

"Now then, let's get down to business. When is the set date, and where will the precious be shipped out?"

sapi, hampered by the drug, was forced to speak the truth. "I'm sssorrrry, I donnn't knowwww..."

"Ah, I was afraid of that. Can you tell me who would know?"

sapi nodded, and gave the mafioso his answer. The mafioso smiled, satisfied with this.

"Well, I must be going. Thank you so so much for that information, it will really be useful (to me anyway). I'm sorry it had to end like this, with the intoxication and all, but it's the least I could do." With that, the mafioso proceeded to put the silencer on his gun and blasted sapi between the eyes. He finished his non-drugged meal in peace, and departed.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers in the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "We have lost two more good souls of the Frontroom today in Rythmic and sapi. This must be stopped. You *must* execute the right person. In order to scare of the mafia, this time I'm going to execute who you choose in the exact same way that Rythmic died - i.e. being torn apart by my own horses. So get voting!

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Still alive: (27)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1