*checks glossary*
It's day one and I had a reason.
I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.
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*checks glossary*
It's day one and I had a reason.
I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.
Are you trying to shut down discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
There are no good reasons for votes day one. Are suggesting we don't vote day one? But then how will we vote day 2?
You've started some good discussion.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by HughTower
peverQuote:
Originally Posted by pever
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Originally Posted by Disco
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Vote: Sasaki...er...whatever his last name is.
You've created a lot of bandwagoning, but no useful discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
This is supposed to help I suppose?
um yes. Those people were all willing to bandwagon. From their posts we may sometime later be able to judge why. Also many people have talked about other things including you and me right now. We're already well over half the size of the last game.
You're usually more pro-discussion than this.
I just don't think it will be helpful to bandwagon Warluster. And then they'll just be "Well Sasaki thought it was a good idea he had to be right" that's the answer you're going to be getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I'm pro-discussion always, but I'm not pro-bandwagoning.
bandwagons create discussion. I don't think there's any point in saying this again; numbers don't lie.
*276*
Yeah, but that's 46 posts that's only a smaller part of the night phase.
Hell, I don't think your game got 46 posts in a day. That's starting to look scummy.
Hey, since I will probably miss it when I am in the hot seat, I bandwagoned just because I like the bandwagon smilie.
Alright whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
May I ask how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
The first voting period will end at about 9 am EST. (Note that I'm not really sticking to a hard-and-fast 24-hour rule in this game; my schedule won't really permit it.)
He's obviously crazy:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
Was unaware of a glossary entry, but that is certainly nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Your reason was no better, in my view, than a meatball sighting. That being the
case, I felt the least you could have done was give us a meatball. [Smilie worth
an honourable mention.] You didn't, and so disappointment followed.
Why are you so eagre to defend him?Quote:
Why should he post? What's he done? The kills have just been posted & instead of giving us your thoughts on the nature of the kills, game mechanics & anything else that comes to mind, you rock up, mis-read the the thread & chuck a lazy vote out at a relative newcomer. If you want to make people speak, ask them a question, don't threaten them with a lynch as a first resort (however empty it might be). My question to you then, CountA, is what has Roadkill done to warrant your close attention?
Check back over all the recent games. I start with a random vote at all times. It generates discussion, which helps the town.
Unvote: Roadkill
Vote: Hughtower
Now I'll read the rest of the thread.
Unvote : HughTower
I'm not joining the bandwagon. Lynching a townie, even a bad townie, will do us no good. Besides, there is already enough pressure on Warluster for now.
Disadvantages for bandwagon: 1) mafia can hide on it by a) putting their vote, hiding in the crowd b) not voting at all since it's not necessary, a townie will get lynched which is fine for them, no need to draw attention to them by joining the "discussion" ; 2) it puts pressure on only one player, other players aren't under threat and won't bother to talk.
I prefer votes a bit spread with a real threat for several players to get lynched because that will generate more discussion...
That said, I will :
Vote : Discovery1
You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.
Right, I see heaps of people voting for me, but I see no reasons, give me reasons!
And the person who started the bandwagon:
Vote:Sasaki
This doesn't convince me. Why would they kill him and then claim to know his role... unless of course...Quote:
You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.
DAMN YOU WIFOM!
Sasaki, who conveniently happens to be the one with the most votes, next to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Usually, the mafia doesn't start a bandwagon. If the mafia even bothered to vote, the third, fourth, ... voter is probably mafia, but chances are big the mafia didn't even bother to post/vote now, since a townie will get lynched anyway (assuming you are a townie...).
Why don't you read through the thread and answer Sasaki's and GH's argumentations in a decent way?
And do you have any other reason to vote Sasaki than a) retaliation b) saving your own skin?
Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense.
In avoidence of getting Lurker-Lynched, I'm now posting.
However, since this is my first game, I know almost none of you, and all the arguements seem to be based around bandwagoning the person that's trying to bandwagon you, I:
Vote: No Lynch
I'll change that if I see a half-way decent arguement or if I get bored.
Vote:No lynch
Reason: the first lynch is (more often than not) useless. There are many roles in this game, and the Pro-town roles section has not been updated (yet) by Kommodus. If there are more than ~10 townie roles, we have a chance of 1 in 3 of lynching a pro-towner. Whereas, I believe the chance of lynching a Cosa Nuova operative is something like 1 in 15.
We would do better to wait, and I'll remind people that bandwagoning is BAD for your health.
Although no lynch bandwagon is not that evil, I should say.
A lynch gives us something to go on. If they were mafia, who they voted for, why and who they were protecting gives us a good insight. Same goes for a townie lynch. Its not the most desirable, but its inevitable.
So we're going with what I said: lynching Sasaki since it's more safe to us?
Seriously GH's reason to vote Warluster was good and why does Sasaki have to be punished because others are bandwagoning. It's not like Sasaki was totally serious when he posted the bandwagon smiley. Others are bandwagoning. They just join the bandwagon, Sasaki just made a first post, that's hardly a bad thing is it?
Well you could contribute yourself ofcourse, you are being less helpfull then Sasaki on normal days, might change my vote to you. If I do that, people will say I bandwagon (just as all the 5 others who did), but they will vote for me. Those people who then change, they are the ones we're after. But I won't change my vote as I'm convinced Caius is suspicious (but then he always is)Quote:
Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense
You have to come with something better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
If you are a townie, you should do a serious effort to avoid getting lynched, in the intrest of your team (the town).
Don't think your vote on Sasaki will save your skin. Just like Stig, I'm willing to vote you. A vote is quickly changed. So, if you don't come up with a better defense and good arguments, I might switch my vote to you to make sure you're the one to hang and not Sasaki. If necessary, Stig might change his vote as well.
@Sasaki: why will you be proven innocent by tomorrow?
In plain & simple language then, Warluster, you are being voted for because you add nothing to the discussion - no opinions, no musings, no whimsy, apart from the fact you are indecisive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
We are not here just for our votes, but for our fine forensic minds.:idea2:
SK has called for a bandwagon on you to try & squeeze some discussion out of you. He, as well myself, Seamus & pevergreen, will remove our votes if you make some attempt to participate in the hunt for the mafia. Andres has promised to join it if you don't.
These terms are very clear.
In Sasaki's defence (although he probably doesn't need one from me), his behavior of voting for various people, without necesarily giving a reason IS indeed to begin discussion. Remember Stealth Danger Mini-Mafia, recently finished. He just went down the list of people having joined to fuel discussion.
And, pevergreen, we already have a rather good amount of people having voted. I think we already have something to go on.
Well vote tally:
Sasaki 5
Disco 2
Hugh 1
Warluster 5
Caius 1
Myrddraal 1
No need to vote Warluster yet
@Kommodus: what happens in case of a tie? Re-vote, no lynching or both players get lynched?
Vote Tallies as of 1010 EST 4/4/7:
Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (Caius, Destro, Redce, WarL, Xehh)
Warluster = 5 (Disco, Hugh, Pev', Sasaki, Seamus)
No Lynch = 3 (Ichi*, Fr3nzy, W Horus)
Discovery1 = 2 (Andres, Sigurd)
Xehh II = 2 (Omanes, Road')
Caius Flaminius = 1 (Stig)
HughTower = 1 (Arach)
Myrddraal = 1 ('khaan)
Not Voting = 10 (Rabbit, Dutch, Iggy, Kage, Motep, Myrddraal, Sapi, Tran, blade, Xdeath)
* Ichigo withdrew his vote from Sasaki, but did not actively vote no lynch
Points to consider:
-- Say what you will about Sasaki and his bandwagons, we've got 20 of 30 voting actively in the first round! 67% suggests FAR fewer wogs than average ahead.
-- Persistent vote shifters include = Andres, who voted for 4 different people this round (and a 5th before it closes?)
-- However, participation isn't keeping up with voting. 13 players have fewer than 4 posts. Our murder victims Axe = 4, Hanky = 15; have more participation going!