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6 turns? Gah! I was hoping it was only 3! This completely ruins my plans!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Someone was sacrificed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
I dont know! I just down know!!! *breaks down sobbing*Quote:
Someone was sacrificed?
Okay, the complex situation has been resolved. The Battle of Whispering Sound has been won. Hopefully I'll be able to get through the rest much more quickly.
:daisy:
Who ever thought that better men matched against the lesser could be put to the worst in trial of war and strong clash of fight? It is not to be endured.
Where was this again?
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Oh, thats Tyrell business. :sleepy:
I'm somewhat worried by the fact that JHT did not specify who won, although we certainly did our best to make things complex for him.
You are not alone in that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
The fact that it didn't really happen according to anyone's plan didn't make it any easier... I don't think anybody will be totally happy with the outcome...
:mellow:Quote:
I don't think anybody will be totally happy with the outcome..
Does this apply?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
In afew turns I expect that gambit pileups will be all that happens.
Okay! Only five hours late I'm finally ready to start sending out results. Please don't discuss the game outside your faction until the Game Thread is updated. Thanks for your (im)patience guys!
Thanks johnhughthom! (although I may not thank you when I actually see the results....)
Would Say im nervous but Victarion Greyjoy is confident in his Iron Fleet.
If the Greyjoys lost, I certainly will.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Ah, Victarion. We will be happy to have you as our...guest...in Hightower.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishranger
Why is Renly attacking the Greyjoys in Tyrell waters?
Something is off... :inquisitive:
Isn't that what you do in a marriage pact/alliance?:shrug:
*Grinds teeth majorly*
Seems someone got thier results this turn. Whats up stanny?
Well, now I know who definitely did it.
Really? Heh I guess I have some reading to look forward to.
Incidentally who else did you expect to try and screw you over?
Inquiries are underway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
You were number one suspect by a mile. You will be very pleased with your results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Hmm... I wonder which scheme I set in motion got you most annoyed.
That sounds like a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Uh... I saw your post before it was edited and I'm lost...
You shall see, Lannister scum.
EDIT: I would like to point out that that was in-character. I bear you no personal ill, Greyblades.
Eh?
Okay, sorry guy. This game is over. I will not be back at the org. I apologise for leaving you high and dry like this, but I would appreciate it you don't try to contact me.
What. Why?
O.o
I get it about the game, but leaving the org? :O
Oh. That's a shame.
Was fun while it lasted. Looked promising.
:bow:
I dont understand was it the workload? Has real life problems come up? What?
Well this game had me excited like a kid at christmas eve 24/7 since it started ^^
Was one hell of a concept, if one week is too stressing, let's move to a monthly thing...
But really JHT, hope to still see you around for some mafia games :)
I'm your Riddler! :P
Probably the fact that it took 12 hours to get these result posts/PMs out.
Yeah, but to up and cut all ties to the entire website without warning?
I suppose he will return, at some point.
He said he wouldnt be back...
Give it a month, or a year...
But by then I will have moved on. Everyone will have moved on. Yet another game lost without so much as sentance explaining it.
What's worse, we'll be old!
This forum's core membership seems to average 2 or 3 or 4 years since account creation. The 2007 cadre is particularly well-represented.
I think John probably needed a co-host. It is probably very difficult for him because these games do put you under heavy stress, especially when no one gets their way almost. I think he staying up till 5am, taking him like 12 hours or so, probably makes it feel like unpaid work.
Don't worry about the game if it is too stressful, no one will hate you or dislike you for it. Some people might stress about results but that is bound to happen anyway. Take a break if needed, but you are always welcome back here.
Noble sons, Cold war, Beefdom, Lassara, now Westeros. It seems that the games I get invested in dont last. I've gotten used to it, I guess, but I would like to know why this one ended.
I agree with Tiaexz. Quiting the game is completly understandable but you should not think people who are angered after the results have a personal grudge against you now.
Let the man sleep guys, I get stressed waking up in the morning :D
Culprit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Just messing with you, this game was/is MASSIVE, pretty much it :P
Anyway JHT is pulling everyone's leg and went to bed ^^
But hey if it's true, he has all the right to do so...
Gah!
This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME there's a strategy game in the org: It ends abruptly. I ****ing hate this ****.
Sorry to hear that you suddenly had to evacuate.
I really hope nothing serious (negative conjunction) happened in your RL John.
Take care and I hope you will return to us when things calm down.
Real Life always trumps online relations and commitments.
Shame.Thank you for the game in any case.It was a thriller as long it lasted.:bow:
I dont think you should leave Org over a game.Take a break and come back when you feel like it. Games come and go and you should not take personally the spontanious reactions of people.
In my mind the game mechanics ,pushing so lot to the shoulders of host were somewhat self destructive. Speaking on experience as i hosted an interactive history that run more then couple years with about 20 human players playing different Japanese Clans in the chapter house.
If the decision of JHT is a final one considering ending the game. I have a large game slot open and i can take a jab at hosting a game with same theme. In any case it would not be the same game.As i believe some changes would have to be made in the mechanics and i think i might need a co host for all the work related to the game.
Should we reveal all of our secret doings and plans?
I'm curious what beskar was annoyed at me for.
I would really like to help out co-hosting: a florid theme like this one getting burnt is such a pity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
This turn I thought JHT had more of a "tech" problem with the PMs and so ended writing all the results in a rush...
Had he asked for a co-host I might have even dropped my character, I was really enjoying the game and its diplomacy in the background, but no game at all it's too bad...
If we can still keep this one alive would be quite nice, maybe with 3 hosts we can even manage the weekly pace by splitting tasks...
Unless no one trust us to remain silent with our former team mates ahahahahaha ^^
John has sent me his files, I will be taking over as Host.
From what he has said, only Storm's End and Stark's need results. I will be attempting to get these out in some format tonight.
If you know some one interested as taking over as Stannis, let me know.
I might be amending some things or requesting for different format than John, I will be posting these up.
So the events of the last update remain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
Thanks Tiaexz!
I pity the person that takes over as Stannis, they could be in a better position at present....
Mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
It would be unfair for those who have had their fates decided to be thrown into a completely different situation. Then people know the results of if some one else was successful which might not be successful on a re-roll, etc. Especially regarding a certain marriage, for example.
So pretty much going to patch up the game and "refresh" from that point on...
Unless there is a big demand in a "restart".
Interesting. So your former faction-mates are no longer individuals?
I say keep everything that has transpired, finish up the result PMs, and get this rolling again!
:yes:
Let us know if you need help (co-hosting, deciding new format etc) or anything else :)
BTW is John ok, coming back later on or plain simple fed up?
I would ask for the second turn to be ignored or 'reset', to be honest... or just reboot the game from the beginning with your changes in tow. That's the only way I feel I can continue to participate as part of House Dragonstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
I am strongly AGAINST replaying only second turn.
Now, a lot of people would know what we wanted to do.
I am fine with both other solutions - either play from the moment after second phase, or restart the game (maybe it would be the best solution, also for host)
Thank you, Beskie. If you are reading this John Thank you for your efforts and I'm sorry if it was something I did that caused this.
I would like a reset to the start of turn 2 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
If i could choose.I would restart the game and maybe make some tweaks to the mechanics.There was some rather controversial things last turn happening compared to actual orders.
The problem is with restarting just this turn, is where there are downsides in some areas, other people are in a position of advantage. I have seen some differences in battle mechanics, so I am willing to re-roll those as I believe only this turn has had any -real- combat in them.
Some other things cannot really be changed.
I don't know what was "controversial", but so far I was enjoying a lot unexpected results: imo that's like half of the game's fun...
As for the turn, replaying it sounds rather silly, so either we keep on going with the start of phase 3 or we restart from the beginning, latter being somewhat annoying if you ask me...
I think there are quite lot of things which can be enhanced and im not just talking about battle mechanics, but i can start developing those things for a possible future game.
Oh god, please don't restart, unless you can promise a very speedy T1.
Besides, restarting is even more unfair, given all the knowledge we now have. I'd really prefer just wrapping up Month 2.
Well unxpected is not a problem but if your forces are acting against direct and explicit orders.It becomes quite troublesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
I see, was it right from the start or could it have been due to circumstances?
No disrespect to anyone intended, but as an interested observer, I'd hope that the mechanics of this game would be seriously examined before any kind of continuation or restart. At least as far as making sure that the new/replacement/original host, or co-hosts aren't biting off more than they can chew. There is a whole kind of bravodo/machismo/masochism amongst new games designers generally, that can and should be avoided, with nothing more required than; 1) proper preparation and 2) a realistic projection of time required to complete the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Hell - with all i have to do in RL, I'm kind of shaking about hosting a simple game of mafia - let alone something of this complexity and MAGNITUDE!
So - to everyone who wants to leap in and continue for 'the sake of the game': How long will the game take to complete? How much time will any new (required?) players need to be able to invest in the game per week? How much time (included projected inflation) should the hosts be prepared to invest in completing the game?
For the record, I'm not trying to be a spanner in the works or a naysayer, but if the above questions above can't be answered with any degree of certainty, then it might be best to re-evaluate the game. Double A's obvious frustration is the main effect this type of endeavor should aim to avoid.
Reasons why I'm frustrated: I've seen this happen at least 3 times on the org and friggin' Margaery got poisoned. Like 50 people knew about the wedding's location, and all of them sworn.
As a player, I invested at least 10 hours a week. New players would need, I guess, at least 5 hours to skim through factional content and the game thread(s). As for hosting, the players cannot say;too much is hidden from us.
Lets just say that it was on decisive moment. and it was not because of circumstances.Everything was followed just like ordered up till then, but for some reason the orders stopped applying at the moment it was most important for them to be followed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Well, I don't know what happened, but sounds like something triggered in, be that external actions, bad luck due to low stats or whatever...
No idea and frankly I hope it lasts as long as possible ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow
It's really up to you, maybe some time to catch up with your faction about what's going on, but then all that matters is having some knowledge of the recent events and decisions so to be present to finalize the orders before the phase's end...Quote:
Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow
I really don't know, but if we all manage to settle for a "routined" process to send orders, I think the hosts will only need to write the results from that and be present to answer questions or respond in name of NPCs during the phase...Quote:
Originally Posted by LazyMcCrow
Maybe for the inquiries we should stick to PMs, I know they will pile up, but at least the host doesn't have to read every single post in the many QTs...
And in the end, this would form a detailed FAQ...
So what we have here is players who did well insisting on the status quo, while those who were worst off demand a do-over.
Can there be any compromise? There are still so many we haven't heard from. But no matter what the outcome, someone will leave alienated. Perhaps we should just call it a game...
The host knows exactly what it concerns, so making assumptions here really does not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Personally im ready to start over,continue from here, reset the turn. I am open for all options.In the end it is just a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
As I said before, I just do not want partial solution. Either restart whole thing, or go further without repeating this turn. Of course, it is only my vote on this matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'll just chip in to say that whether we continue on or restart, I have heartily enjoyed playing and I have no doubt that I will continue to enjoy it. However, I do agree with Kage that events that should have been in control of the players, weren't, and that this has skewed what probably should have occurred in an unfair manner. Nonetheless, I'll be happy no matter what is decided.