Printable View
looking at those worlds i do think a bart/mont team just kills zack N1? he knows them the best and was reasonably suspicious of both D1 so it seems like the obvious kill for that team and i don’t think a team of mont/bart was positioned well enough N1 to kill rask
just wanna note that i thought this post was kinda wolfy because hedging is like the defining feature of my town game lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
notably zack has even defended me in the past when we?ve been v/v and people suspect me for my indecision
it?s like a post wolves think sounds good but isn?t something zack would really think about me
I never said you were null d1, I had you (and monty at that time) as light v readsQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
tiers ordered within
there's actually another tier separating monty from zack/barto for me but i didnt wanna come up with a different name for that tier
villagers
sunbae
ender
probably villager but wouldn't be surprised if fooling
hally
wolfy but reservations
monty
zack
barto
maybe i'm misremembering then, lemme go back and seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
orgah discriminationQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
I'm pretty sure it was unlabeled groupings, but I talked about the reads a few times outside of that listQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
alright, so i think i conflated these two posts when th inking back upon it but i think the sentiment remains the same about how i felt it kinda icky i was falling down lists, as if someone expressed initial uncertainty (and i A-OK'd it!) and it gave the greenlight for me to be put into a position where a mislunch leads to me openly being next up in the poeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
maybe i'm clearing ender a bit too easy but so is everyone else
https://i.imgur.com/eaMMxHr.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
defending you for being indecisive about voting isn't the same thing as every read being this person might be villagy but also they might not be, that's not a feature I remember but I could be wrong, I haven't played a game with you in like 6 monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
fweoifwoe I told myself last night I was going to jsut ignore the stuff about me and forge on doing my thing but the people I am most interested in seeing post either aren't posting or are posting about me
:shame:
Rask didn't really have serious sus on anyone besides hally afaict. He mentioned punting monty (that benneh quoted but I swear to god I was literlaly looking at that post right before he posted it ITT just to make me look bad and lazy :sweatdrop:) but didn't seem that confident in it, and when he said he would "have words" with ender if vulgard was town, from the context it seemed clearly meant in the sense of thinking Ender was a villa who saved wolf Hally.
Hally talking so much about the rask kill and spinning how it could point to other people I think actually comes back around to being villagy? If I was w/w with hally and we killed rask n1, and she kept going on about the rask kill I would tell her to stfu about it in wolfchat
I am gonna ride the anti-benneh momentum to slide him down in my reads list :curtain:
One thing I find interesting is ime benneh and sunbae tended to find each other well as v/v (including when it was definitely not clear to me), and benneh has sunbae as a top villa but the opposite isn't true (or is at least a lot more murky).
I'm kinda tempted to take Rask's read on Barto and run with it, given it wasn't a terrible point in the first place and why would Barto kill him (yes yes there are two wolves i know), but part of this is undeniably I would just feel bad if in my first game playing with Takh again in a long time I mislunched him again.
either there's one in benneh/hally (or two? eh), I'm getting worked over by sunbae and/or bladescape, or it's monty/barto which meh.
:creep:
game hard and thinky bout it difficult, zack going to answer AMA questions and do irl stuff for while
:hide:
i don't think thats a fair assessment of me and sunbae's werewolf relationship tbqh
we often both pocket the other player when w/v
sunbae often nails me when i am w/v against him (idt i often nail him as wolf except maybe once or twice)
we often both misread eachother as v/v
we often both find eachother as v/v
we almost always try to re-evaluate the other as games continue on (minus the 1 turbo we spoke over eachother and triggered this) and often sort things out as a result of that
but i would not say we are always or nearly always lockstep villagers
only reason i bothered posting this is because a) idt what you said is true but also b) that feels like an incredibly weak reason to wolf read me? you have never been one (in the few non-turbos we've had) to shy away from espousing your doubts about me when v/v so i'm kinda confused as to why you're using the fact that sunbae doesn't clear me asa crutch to slide me down here?Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
I didn't say I wolf read you for it? it's based on a small sample size (of my personal experience) and was just something I've been mulling over in the back of my mind
I don't really find anyone particularly wolfy in a way that jumps out other than Monty (already gone over this and he hasn't posted anything since) and maybe Barto, who hasn't posted yet today and not much to say there. That doesn't feel like the team so I'm probably wrong somewhere and won't have the time to go deeper into it today (irl today not day 2)
My read on you is pretty much just "the reason I lightly townread benneh day 1 is too light for day 2 and I generally don't find you to be notably villagy or wolfy at present"
is this read on zack a joke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
(for reference, the sentence was ?yep that?s a monty post?)
ohh, okayQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
that makes more sense :tongue:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
re: neb
I usually get my most confident there during eods but 1) that eod didn't really have much going on as it was clear vulgard was going down from what i can tell and 2) i wasnt actually around so any vibe stuff that pops out kinda gets lost in translation. My current take is "could be a wolf, not top couple of suspects" and "if he's a wolf he hasn't tried to like, go out of his way to pocket me even when I was floating ideas of him being a wolf while also not trying to discredit or get me killed". If I try to read the eod from a "neb is a wolf doing XYZ" perspective I think it would have to be in a Hally v world because I didn't get the sense of any concern/urgency (which Hally clearly had so if it was w/w I think their two views of the gamestate weren't really on the same page). I also have this, uh, potentially bad idea in my head that the half ass "meh i think this is wrong but whatcha gonna do" is in this weird middle ground where it's not really attempting to look good for the next day because it's so weakly said and it's not really trying to line anything up for post flip that gets carried over to today? That might be too narrow of a read but it's what came to me and why I asked Neb about that post.
i regret not cfd’ing barto or mont D1 (probably bart) because down the stretch i did get cold feet on vul after my initial wave of “WOLFY VOTE DIE” passed over me but tbh i didn’t want to destabilize vul’s wagon at EoD because i was worried that it would lead to me going over
i wish i had just went for it though because i think vul would have made himself more readable with time and anything would be better than El Barto (0)
I'm going to take a moment to just flesh out thoughts here:
- There are 7 of us left and I think I can remove quite a few w/w pairings. I don't think Benneh/Hally, Benneh/Zack, Ender/Hally, Ender/Zack, Hally/Barto, Hally/Mont, or Mont/Zack work.
Leaves me with Barto/Benneh, Barto/Ender, Barto/Mont, Barto/Zack, Benneh/Ender, Benneh/Mont, Ender/Mont, Hally/Zack
- Of these pairs, the ones I can see things as "possibly w/w" instead of just "not not w/w" if that makes sense are:
Barto/Benneh: Barto's fixation on Benneh vanity wagon while villagers are going at each other throughout the day + Benneh's calling it out near eod while the clock is winding down.
Barto/Ender: Ender has a few small defenses of Barto in relation to wolf pushes, like while Vulgard is getting wagoned and the thread thinks he's a wolf, saying "don't think vulgard/barto are w/w" as well as adding him to the no blast zone today.
Barto/Mont: The way Mont calls Barto's opening wolfy and but then uses it to try and vote me for Barto's way he talked to me and shade Zack for not catching that Barto is iffy already.
Hally/Zack: The way Hally has shifted from defending Zack to Ender (in relation to Neb) to shading Zack once Neb came in being concerned about Zack too and the way Zack didn't really want to engage me for a bit on Hally early.
- Using peoples posts in isolation, I don't think Ender is a wolf. I don't really thiiiink benneh is one either (talked about that a bit ago). I'm also not really sure I have Hally as a wolf (have talked about this a lot).
I think I want to just call the wolf team Mont/Barto
This is the post I was talking about. Think I villa read it initially for seeming like a real solve approach (like trying to take it from point a to point b to point c) but I think now it's just acknowledging a wolfy post and then trying to call out others from itQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
i mean i dont think it has to be hard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
who are the people trying to figure out alignments? they are the villagers
who are the people not doing that? they are the wolves
keep it simple
Why doesn't that feel like the team to you? I think I feel ok about it being the team with the approach day 1 from both of them, other peoples posting, and the way they interacted with each other (at least in the mont->barto direction)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I think I've also suspected Hally enough that I will give myself partial credit and moral victory if I lose to them
You gotta find the wins wherever you can
Can you pinpoint when that was? I did not get that vibe reading your eodQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
Vote: El barto
…Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
Who's benneh? Seriously, I don't know everybody's offsite nicknames.
This post struck me as odd, that and EW answering my complaint about his 100% fluff posts with hanging a lampshade on it and brazening it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
i kept it out of the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
tbc i did still think he had a good chance at flipping wolf but by EoD my confidence was less than when i initially voted vul (and tbh i don’t even think my confidence was that high when i voted him but i tried to convince myself of it because i was annoyed at his vote on me and the suspicion on me generally)
but it didn’t seem productive to say i was having #doubts because it didn’t really seem like there was a realistic chance of a cfd and iirc i still had three votes (vul, rask, mont) so i wasn’t comfortable destabilizing vul’s wagon
benneh = nebjiamnQuote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
benneh was pretty suspicious of monty D1 and posted this at EoD:
but he really hasn?t done anything with this suspicion today despite monty being a hot topic earlier other than a vague gesture in that directionQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
wonder if this is distancing when town had already cemented v/v wagons :magnify:
i forgot about that tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
but it doesn't really change my view here
like, holistically, what do i need to do lol
my progression on monty has been:
-null to wolfy while he had 2 posts and extremely confused as to how people were v reading him
-disliking his re-entry to thread near-ish EOD in relation to him defending someone i thought had wolf equity and voting someone i thought had villager equity
-vulgard dying and me resetting somewhat
-rask dying doesn't change anything
-him coming in today with a somewhat silly take that vulgard was the most obvious villager ITT (though now that i recall my progression on him, this seems less absurd given his post @ sunbae that i referenced in the post you quoted)
-he's in my poe but im also scared to mislunch him and am instead fleshing out thoughts on barto/zack while others are pushing him
i can understand some w/w vibes fypov there but i also just think you're looking for zebras when you should be looking for horses
OK, then:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
That was why I voted for him at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
And his answer was ‘I'm voting you barto’ and… that was it? Lame.
And now he's voting for me again without any excuse at all, he's just reaching for LHF.
I offer myself for the cause. If you want to ‘thunderdome’ it then vote: nebjiamn and to hell with it. I hardclaim vanilla townie.
Also
He's improved a bit, but then he says he's pocketed you, which you should be wary of.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
my response to you was to showcase how demonstrably false you wereQuote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
and you then proceeded to vote me and actually refuse to stick your head out on a wagon during that day phase
here's my case: your posts are wolfy and hypocritical and show no depth of thought. en guarde. i hard claim mafia goon
just because you chose to play this game like lhf doesn't mean lhf can't be wolves
fair enough benneh, i don’t think it’s a smoking gun, just something i’ve had in the back of my mind
you voted benneh for not having a vote down when he did have a vote downQuote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
and now you’re trying to dome him because…?
water u doin
*facepalm*Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Bloody x-posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
For not committing to either waggon, that's why I was voting him. He himself said that he was voting em and that was the point, he was just refusing to commit.
i mean, its also demonstrably false that i didnt stick my head out on the wagons at any point thru the day anyway, because i did vote hally at some point and it was somewhat serious. i then talked myself out off the ledge a bit and i feel like this is probably indicative in my posts from yesterday but to try and proclaim i had no interest in the wagons because i was voting you at the time is just, like, i may not be LHF as a player in this game but that's an extremely LHF 'reason' if you ask me
he did though? he voted vul well before EoD and you still kept your vote parked on him when he had zero chance to go overQuote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
you’re the one that didn’t commit bronana
i'll throw out there i am having some doubts because the blatant hypocrisy and doubling down to push me with it does not strike me as something a wolf wants to do after its been drawn attention to
but wtflolidk
also you’re really suspecting ender for this and saying he’s pocketing me?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
don’t you have anything better? you’re a more competent player than to be suspecting people for lame reasons like this imo
Well, yes, but that all happened after I went offline. When Zack emntioned somethign about posting on cellphones it's precisely his ribbing me for not having one. So unless I am at a computer and with spare time I just won't be posting or reading at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
probly out for rest of the day. my apologies if i come in drunk posting later tonight, ill try to stick to turbos
untrue ftrQuote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
he voted vul 4 hours before EoD and you were still around posting 2 hours later
Players Votes
Montmorency 2 (Sunbae, Zack)
Zack 1 (EnderWiggin)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
El Barto 1 (nebjiamn)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
>_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
I need to re-read the thread at a saner time.
Hi guys, I probably have Covid.
Which basically means I have ? amount of ability to actually think about this phase rn, given I'm in the process of dying in a gradual and graceful manner. Also my head feels like I'm wrapped in 3 layers of cotton so let's see how that plays out.
oof, sorry man
hope you get well soon
damn, hoping for a swift recovery
Me too.
Also dead thread.
Let's play "Who are the two people you'd lock town if you had to lock two people town?"
A game hosted and sponsered by sick Ender.
not really a fan of this since none of my reads are super strong and i think we should re-eval everyone tomorrow if we miss today but to play along.. if i had to put two people together it'd be
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
@Hally
why isn't it sunbae/zack
@EnderWiggin i still would like to know what prompted this thought considering i had not yet postedQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
or myabe i did post twice after getting out of watching a movie
but ykwim
how and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
ill take the pre-his-arrival-to-thread-answer and also the updated read
Vote: Zack
i?m ur momQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i don?t think they?ve really been interacting like they?re on the same page? but i?d need to rereadQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
coincidentally i have been pondering ender's question and thinking about having you as my top villa and reconsidering where i am putting ender and sunbaeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
but i am not sure if i'm throwing
im not really in the market to do the whole "top 2 villa" game. pretty cool with where i've ended up.
forgive me if i'm not posting up a storm and churning through things. most of my current thoughts are at the macro level. not much has changed since my breakdown on the micro level. its a 9er that's officially shifted from fun meme hangout time to serious werewolfing, i dont really want to be devoting a lot of time and energy to serious werewolfing, and i feel reasonably good about where my vote is.
https://i.giphy.com/media/3o84sw9CmwYpAnRRni/200.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Basically, I think we've reached the part of the game where we all kinda know who we want to vote off, the thread is open for 48 hours, so we just kinda try to find ways to think ourselves in circles as we wait. I go back to the thing I said yesterday: game doesn't have to be hard. Just find the people who care about figuring out alignments. They are the villagers. Then find the people that don't. They are the wolves.
If it makes you feel better, I think it's pretty clear that I am, in no uncertain terms, not giving a single care about positioning/thread control/or looking good (either via interactions or by making "appealing" cases). It's ... possible ... that I've got a blind spot on Ender but I don't think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
By this I mean if I'm a wolf I'm clearly not the one I'm expecting to end game, despite the fact that with peoples thoughts on me I would need to be? If that makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
echoing others + hope you're alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
i agree with this in theory but in practice it’s led you to have two lhf’s as your solve, which doesn’t exactly enthuse me given they get mislunched a bunch as villagers and might be worse at projecting town as town than some players itg are at projecting town as wolf lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
but maybe it’s actually that easy!
what changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
or at least, that’s what i gather from the few times i’ve seen them play + how people talk about themQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
Well let's break things down a bit then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hally
Let's start with my last pairing posts. Do you have an glaring objections to what I've said there? Any pairs I removed that you think are viable or vice versa?
gonna suck down some store brand coffee and vocaroo all my thoughts to get benneh off my back with the sweet honey of my voice
the reason im gonna win this game? simple
i come from the bronanian school of werewolf philosophy. i am training daily with bronana from the syndicate in order to attain the maximum amount of thread sway as both alignments and i have a silver tongue that i can easily manipulate with.
peekonomics
give me a bit and i’ll go back and lookQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
wanna do some rl stuff rq before i get sucked in here
HALLY FROZEN AND CRYING IN WOLFCHATQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
benneh: why is barto wolfier than monty iyo?