Tarot Mafia

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Originally Posted by ladd

i cant tell if they want knights ded or not

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I would say the answer to this is yes rn btw to be clear, I think he and gemma are roughly equally solid choices and voted gemma just cuz I thought that wagon was smaller

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

please clear me if he flips scum

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Ill clear until lets say d4

:curtain:

the knights problem is that he is tunneling me for a reason that makes a lot of sense to him.

I have called him an easy villa read a lot in the past year.
I normally either find him early or assume he is a wolf.
Me not interacting with him so far should be a red flag to him.

and that red flag turned into a tunnel.

The problem is that I did not catch on early to him in one of our recent games and am changing my approach.
(not sure if it was anni or the game before. but I remember having a bad soft clear on knights d1 in a game within the last 2-3 months)



Newcombs reasoning is fine.

The first point is mute because I am certain that it is how knights starts every game I remember.
knights into is normally
"something about randing villa

line saying hello"
the added line in the middle in a new forum is not out of character.


The 2nd point about knights read on me is fine.
I have trouble judging it because I know knights (if villa) is in a silly tunnel that just got half his quotes eaten and might take some shortcuts because of it.
Doesn't really excuse lack of analysis.

This all to say I see a fence. I sit on it.

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

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I died clearing you and nobody cared enough to look for it in my iso. they just killed you instead.
(I can fake a lot as wolf. I lack endurance and can be a bit hung up on shitposting for too long because it is simply more fun than fake-solving.)

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

[B]
Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning.

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I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

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Originally Posted by Maple

Hello, I'm reading and thinking and watching movie

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The Lobster?

What did you think, did you like it?

This is important. I might have to change my vote.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

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love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

100% vibes but Vanta town.

The Lobster is a weird yet enjoyable movie, 8/10.

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Originally Posted by ladd

ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

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idc about what visor did in another game lol i'm a) not visor b) not trying to get vanta yeeted

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

at what point in this game do i look like someone who is going to be a deciding factor in a yeet such that i would think doing absolutely nothing other than voting someone would lead to their receiving pressure or votes and what about a naked vote and ping at vanta ever comes across as meaningfully pushing the slot idk what angle u think i would even be playing there as a wolf

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

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I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

wolfy popout

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

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meant to quote this one so grab my post above this as well

I have a town read on neb because he hasn't really being doing anything that looks like he is positioning himself for the future. He's not making any strong wolf reads to look good later, he's not pocketing people, he's not making sure he's noticed and getting credit for correct statements or preparing anything negative to bring on someone for their incorrect statement. Just kind of sitting here doing his own thing and whenever I catch wolf neb it's because I can see him doing that type of thing you know?

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Originally Posted by Gemma

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

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can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

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It was first the tarot readings, then some content. Vibes. It seemed natural. Whereas Col.Lubr. looked like trying for relaxed, and then if there was content I missed it.

Also you can't really say "tarot readings had nothing to do with the game" in a game called Tarot Mafia.

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

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I think Dya is a pretty obvious villager for reasons of "I read their posts and idk, seems like an obvious villager???" and like, yeah I understand people disagree or w/e and I don't blame them because it's the type of read I can't ever articulate and whenever I try to people just act like I'm making no sense but it seems obvious to me. You asked me for specific posts and I don't have them but just like, go read their posts and ask if they are solving the game or not. And if the things they choose to talk about are based on positioning/looking good/faking reads or based on whatever comes to their mind in the moment.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

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ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

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Thank you, this is me acknowledging the response but I need to chew on it a bit. Make some valid points and I do have a habit of getting got by manti specifically

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Originally Posted by Jan

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

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I had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Lets try something slightly different

vote:gemma



This read is like completely lacking of any sort of spice, idk if u could make a safer readlist



This vote and justification for it i realllllly hate

I am trying to think why a villager would think it'd help them solve the game and i am coming up empty

Again super mega safe vote to make

(Click on my post to see quoted gemma posts)

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bruh

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Originally Posted by Jan

The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

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the newcomb post was kinda eeh

is the only thing for me

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Originally Posted by Jan

It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

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tkon is pretty bad but your mileage may vary just takes so long to type its so unnecessary

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

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vanta's sort of newbtown vibes imo, you can basically lock clear them off lvl 1 stuff shot would be wasted

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

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Originally Posted by Jan

can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

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wdym what changed? was last game the one where they were v? i forgot they got yeeted tbh, i just remember them being omega obvious town, i mean you can't really stop village from yeeting obvious villagers as the game goes on but as slots go vanta is overwhelmingly more clearable than someone like cobalt imo

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

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that tier was lackers not woofs

i just want you to do more stuff cause i iso'd you and didnt find those yummy crunchy bits i like so much

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

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My favorite part of playing werewolf is making reads and having someone question how you can possibly have that read and then read another post where the someone else calls your reads too consensual.

That wasn't sarcasm btw, it's genuinely one of the funnest parts of werewolf

Rask can you order my reads from most to least consensus:

Neb town
Dya obvious villager
Maple town (though pondering more I admit now)
Knights light towny
Insomnia towny
Jan wolfy
Ender wolfy
Rask wolfy

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".





both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

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this is your post. had to look it up.

I don't disagree with your take.
enders takes are things I can simply nod along and fakeable as wolf.

both examples here are just expert fence sitting tbh.
I tend to have very similar thoughts early on a lot of times. it is why I didn't bother placing sheep or knights in my early list for example.

I can see your reason. And I am curious how ender evolves when he comes back.
I don't think it is damning in any way. to me it is just something that a wolf could easily fake, but a villager might post as well.

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

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Originally Posted by Jan

this is your post. had to look it up.

I don't disagree with your take.
enders takes are things I can simply nod along and fakeable as wolf.

both examples here are just expert fence sitting tbh.
I tend to have very similar thoughts early on a lot of times. it is why I didn't bother placing sheep or knights in my early list for example.

I can see your reason. And I am curious how ender evolves when he comes back.
I don't think it is damning in any way. to me it is just something that a wolf could easily fake, but a villager might post as well.

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Hmm, ok that's fair! I think that means your post wasn't directed at me at all which is fine. A nice wait and see approach works well I think too

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

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hmmm i probably should fill in some of the gaps I have in the reads list actually

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

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I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

slight town read to arctic

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Originally Posted by Jan

I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

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ben is neb! have as a villager

bop im uncertain on at the moment

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Originally Posted by Jan

I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

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oh wait neb is ben.

in my head it was just a lazy way to say NEwcomB. :X

I might be an idiot but I still think Sunbae's pure. I know it's dumb because it's all macro and I'm really looking for one micro reason to town read him, just anything that's slightly town indicative on a perspective level rather than tone/wim/solvyness, and I just can't.

But he's in my town lean pile anyway, he's cute, sue me.

Players Votes
Theknightsofneeee 3 EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb
Gemma 2 Ladd, Wisdom
Vanta Black 1 Gemma
EnderWiggin 1 nebjiamn
Newcomb 1 grr
Wisdom 1 sheepsaysmeep
sheepsaysmeep 1 Syn
dyachei 1 insomnia
Jan 1 Theknightsofneeee
C0balt 1 Didistetter
ColonelLubriderm 1 Vanta Black

i don't have my new tallier on this comp, so give me a bit to get it formatted and stuff but this should be the tally

remember that if the vote does not start with vote:

i will not see it nor count it!

Players Votes

Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb)
Gemma 2 (Ladd, Wisdom)
Vanta Black 1 (Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Newcomb 1 (grr)
Wisdom 1 (sheepsaysmeep)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
dyachei 1 (insomnia)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
C0balt 1 (Didistetter)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)



it'll do for now!

lmk if you also want me to add post numbers for each vote fwiw, though havent looked into how hard it would be to link em

wasn't gemma meant to be obvious villager by now or is that a bad view to hold?

it feels like they're really distant in poking at stuff and the times i've read them it was incredibly easy to villa read them off their pushes. it's been about 35h since SoD and nothing really spicy from them but just placing really safe votes and that doesn't feel like their style at all. i woulda expected them to swing at a hard hitter thus far, but let me know if im wrong

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Originally Posted by insomnia

wasn't gemma meant to be obvious villager by now or is that a bad view to hold?

it feels like they're really distant in poking at stuff and the times i've read them it was incredibly easy to villa read them off their pushes. it's been about 35h since SoD and nothing really spicy from them but just placing really safe votes and that doesn't feel like their style at all. i woulda expected them to swing at a hard hitter thus far, but let me know if im wrong

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wolfy
@Visor sheep is voting me

Vote: insomnia

alright, i tried re-reading but i really can't be bothered. d1 is not my strong suit and especially not in these types of playerlists where im sure i won't have much of an influence on d1 anyway and it's better to let things flow as it is

i will say the reads that i feel fine with for now are

v
stett
grr

probably v
raskolnikov
maple

yolo v
knightsofneeee

the way i read the game rn in terms of wolfreads is prob the worst in terms of playing d1. kinda lost interest because of that. the lunch will probably be some low poster cuz we don't want to lunch the people putting in effort this early and because of this being a COVETED get together of players, so i'll try harder d2. i might come back for EoD if im awake

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Originally Posted by Gemma

wolfy
@Visor sheep is voting me

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why?

in the mash i remember you pushing high profile players with much more ease and a ton of villageriness. in here you have ~nothing to say about hard hitters despite actively choosing not to get involved. i'd expect someone doing that to at least have something spicier to say and especially you

you are def not playing typical (at least from my viewing of your mash play and a few normals here), i haven't decided if you're a wolf or not for it, but i don't feel comfortable letting you off the hook if you won't provide some cool insight given you aren't getting involved. shouldn't that make it real easy to see you villaging?

just saying

what do you think about ladd voting you?

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Originally Posted by insomnia

alright, i tried re-reading but i really can't be bothered. d1 is not my strong suit and especially not in these types of playerlists where im sure i won't have much of an influence on d1 anyway and it's better to let things flow as it is

i will say the reads that i feel fine with for now are

v
stett
grr

probably v
raskolnikov
maple

yolo v
knightsofneeee

the way i read the game rn in terms of wolfreads is prob the worst in terms of playing d1. kinda lost interest because of that. the lunch will probably be some low poster cuz we don't want to lunch the people putting in effort this early and because of this being a COVETED get together of players, so i'll try harder d2. i might come back for EoD if im awake

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I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

@didistetter my read on Jan is a vibe read first and foremost and he's not doing some things i associate with his wolf game. He memes as both alignments but tends to do it more as a wolf than as a villager. I can't really explain my read beyond that.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

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idt newcomb is obvious atp. Newcomb is like...slightly villa for me right now but I'm not willing to commit

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Originally Posted by insomnia

why?

in the mash i remember you pushing high profile players with much more ease and a ton of villageriness. in here you have ~nothing to say about hard hitters despite actively choosing not to get involved. i'd expect someone doing that to at least have something spicier to say and especially you

you are def not playing typical (at least from my viewing of your mash play and a few normals here), i haven't decided if you're a wolf or not for it, but i don't feel comfortable letting you off the hook if you won't provide some cool insight given you aren't getting involved. shouldn't that make it real easy to see you villaging?

just saying

what do you think about ladd voting you?

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https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...rchid=20690838

can u quote the post where i pushed ppl

and "ladd prob wolfing" rly doesn't count

man what is people's obsession with status in mafia

high profile this elite omegabrain that like omg

we're all just weird nerds typing random poopies into a little box for the memes

if u haven't decided i'm a wolf then don't shade me from the sidelines (that's why ur post is wolfy)

ladd's vote on me is silly and he'll presumably switch off at some point or not idc about it

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Originally Posted by ladd

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

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nah, idt you are w/w. at most i think it's just 1 there and i'd lean you over newcomb anyway. newcomb got better

i just think a lot of the wolves are the people we'd never consider voting d1, feels like that type of game to me, but i genuinely don't have an interest figuring out who that might be. i just know i didn't wanna die and usually when i do that i lose accuracy and interest to solve the game cuz i need to re-read

Players Votes

Gemma 3 (Ladd, sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb)
insomnia 1 (Gemma)
dyachei 1 (insomnia)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
C0balt 1 (Didistetter)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Newcomb 1 (grr)



thx gemma, fixed

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Originally Posted by Gemma

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...rchid=20690838

can u quote the post where i pushed ppl

and "ladd prob wolfing" rly doesn't count

man what is people's obsession with status in mafia

high profile this elite omegabrain that like omg

we're all just weird nerds typing random poopies into a little box for the memes

if u haven't decided i'm a wolf then don't shade me from the sidelines (that's why ur post is wolfy)

ladd's vote on me is silly and he'll presumably switch off at some point or not idc about it

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why is it silly? do you think you've been villagery?

there's no thing with status. i've just seen you being villagery by way of pushing typical slots like that. in here you feel immensely uninspired and i dont get why

and yes, im shading you cuz, again, it's been 36h, you didn't give us much and your votes are real consensus and / or safe, so i'd like to hear more. im fine giving people time to do their thing obviously, but when you play it this safe in addition to not putting your thoughts in the thread it looks wolfy, considering i usually tell pretty easily when you're v (at least from skimming on this site)

that's my process on you /shrug

im not quoting anything, lol. nobody cares about that

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Originally Posted by Gemma

idc about what visor did in another game lol i'm a) not visor b) not trying to get vanta yeeted

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

at what point in this game do i look like someone who is going to be a deciding factor in a yeet such that i would think doing absolutely nothing other than voting someone would lead to their receiving pressure or votes and what about a naked vote and ping at vanta ever comes across as meaningfully pushing the slot idk what angle u think i would even be playing there as a wolf

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@insomnia

i'll try to have some less safe reads in the future ty for the feedback

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Originally Posted by insomnia

im not quoting anything, lol. nobody cares about that

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u seem to care quite a bit

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Originally Posted by Gemma

@insomnia

i'll try to have some less safe reads in the future ty for the feedback

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i feel like you're being a bit prickly with me for no reason. i've elaborated with numerous points why im not comfortable giving you space anymore. do you feel like that's wrong / attacking you or what?

you can be villagery by posting thoughts and that's all i asked

im closing the thread

Never fear, Ender is here.

I'mma be honest bruvs. 17 pages to catch up, idk if I'll get through em all before I collapse to sleep.

But here I go.

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Originally Posted by C0balt

Yes, I like seeing people post about my meta because it makes me feel noticed and important.

Carry on.

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Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

now this I don't like as much

the second line feels like something you just throw in to add the appearance of depth without there being any real consideration

As I'm typing this though I'm recognizing that there's perhaps a bit of "townreading someone who townreads you is such a goober thing to do off the bat" that i'm reflexively doing the opposite to prove to myself i'm not a chump

gonna let this one marinate

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https://i.imgflip.com/8zj0c5.jpg

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I also kinda was sus of Insomnia early on the pages but Page 6 Insomnia hits different.

Even if I disagree with the reads, I kinda like the posts.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I like Jan rn.

My vote on them is a joke until I decide to change to someone else.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I got bored of joke-voting

Vote: Knights of Neeeee

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I feel like Newcomb gets voted pretty easily when he hasn't ~done much. I helped vote em out last game we played when I was wolf and they were town on D1. (Though it was a wild EOD to be fair.)

Can you talk to me about why Newcomb is there in your sus list? (To be clear I very much think Newcomb has done nothing I'd consider reading them on yet.)

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@Jan its nothing mega deep, just these posts in particular pinged me

emphasizing the vote on you was a joke twice/clarifying his intent just pings me a bit

the post about insom pings me for the 'kinda sus early' 'but p6 insom hits diff' when early on was mostly intro posts and it feels like somewhat of an exaggeration for something i viewed as either null or just irrelevant from insom (but ender being around to clarify which posts early he sus'd would help tbf)

the post about newcomb is just super awkward. its mostly fluff about his willingness to vote newcomb as a wolf in a game from a year ago segueing into 'why are you reading him?' with clarification that he doesnt even have a read on newcomb

i cant really explain the read beyond that. i admit its kinda meh but i don't really have much else to work on rn. his other posts in the flurry were ~fine i agree but for my money he's the wolfiest of the interesting/non-cop-out yeets on the table we're likely heading to (sheep/knights) that i think have more villa equity

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

knights did have a kind of awkward intro; whoever pointed that out, think it was rask or ender maybe, I vibe with it. didn't stick out like a sore thumb but on readback, the shoe fits for the token awkward thread entrance d1 wolf. Not a glass slipper, but at least a pair of crocs.

Talk to me about benneh; apologies if I missed it, i'm catching up and also f5'ing the thread as I do

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Sheep but I think I was second? Or I don't remember someone.

But basically Sheep and me did it.

im heading in to work and am gonna be in a data center with no outbound internet access basically all day, not sure if ill be able to make EOD

will do my best to pop in on a break if possible and make a relevant vote as needed but gona stay on ender for now

id really prefer to not go sheep if that matters to anyone

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Originally Posted by insomnia

i feel like you're being a bit prickly with me for no reason. i've elaborated with numerous points why im not comfortable giving you space anymore. do you feel like that's wrong / attacking you or what?

you can be villagery by posting thoughts and that's all i asked

im closing the thread

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not prickly just some friendly sass

i dont mind what u do wrt giving me space or not, its not going to affect how i post

feel free to ask me about a post or something specific and i'll probably humor you

but saying repeatedly that my posts dont match some imaginary gemma that you havbe in ur head and talking about a consensus or whatnot donest really give me anything to converse with, my reads are my reads and saying they're safe like ive intentioned out to commit sins is ??? and idek what consensus is aorn or what u think it is so like there are wild leagues between us that require unpoacking and deconstructing before we can begin to talk which is why im just shrugging

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

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have u 2 been hanging out irl

unironically i mean

The amount of confusion Sunbae caused with the Stett ID lie is cracking me up.

Top quality content.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

have u 2 been hanging out irl

unironically i mean

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Nope.

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Originally Posted by grr

tier 3 is lame i wanna be like. tier1+ or wolfread. tier 3 is kinda like where people tolerate ur existence but kinda keep taking potshots at you and you already know you're never gonna be nightkilled and it's so cringe.

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We should band together and seize the means of production voting, so that we too might be graced with the bliss of N1.

vote: enderwiggin

I like insom better now in his responses to gemma

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Nope.

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oh wait it was syn who said unironically before not you

nvm

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

fry.gif in enders general directi

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"Shut up and take my money"? How did you know I needed money?

(I joke but I have the feeling this is the start of the current anti-Ender sentiment I'm observing around catching up lmao.)

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Originally Posted by dyachei

vote: enderwiggin

I like insom better now in his responses to gemma

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care to elaborate

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Originally Posted by Gemma

care to elaborate

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not really no

Dya tackling Newcomb digging into their reasoning is ~more towny of em.

Disclaimer being that I have historically had a bad rate of reading Dya. But I like it.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

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Is this read based on meta?

Cobalt is a slot I am interested in (prolly not today since they gave cover and i am ok with respecting that for 1 day)

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".





both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

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I'm gonna ask you to cast your mind back to the last time you were town and I was wolf and I voted out Newcomb D1.

I give 0 shits about tiptoeing around good players.

(I once, famously, kept Pizza alive til F4 despite everyone townreading him. I lost that, but hell was it fun.)

This feels ~really bland of a read on me from Sunbae, and I can't help but feel like it comes from the fact that Ladd proved that wolves can push me for free because people don't generally find me super towny.

I'll chew on this a bit more before I commit to it. Because this is absolutely OMGUS range. But bleh.

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Originally Posted by ladd

Is this read based on meta?

Cobalt is a slot I am interested in (prolly not today since they gave cover and i am ok with respecting that for 1 day)

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Yes. The meta is like a year old so I can't guarantee it holds up but I played a bunch with Cobalt and saw the innards of their Wolf Play when I was their Partner during Champs.