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After seeing what is news for me today I'm even more glad that Spain lost. I saw Aragones demonstrating his racism during practices before the match against France. I'll not blame the whole team for the mistake of the coach, but I can't help it, it makes even more relaxing to see the coach return bitter and failing.
Was saying the same about Mexico myself before that game, but surely you'dQuote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
have to admit that Mexico played much better than anyone had expected. They
were attacking Argentina from the off, and gave a very good account of
themselves.
Can only hope that Argentina hold on, up their game, and put the Germans down
- though not sure they will. The Germans have a habit of getting to finals under
the radar when they're not performing well, and we all know they're doing better
now. Would rather not have any final with Germany in it, there's just too much
of a chance that they'll win.
I think France can beat Brazil. [Sometimes wondering if no-one has seen how
disappointing Brazil has been from the beginning of this tournament onwards.]
They look beatable, even average; it's just down to their opponents to see
through the hype and the reputations.
And for those of you who will suffer withdrawal, just keep in mind that the Euro
2008 qualifiers start soon enough. [Personally I will be hoping that the Ukraine
keep up the poor performances for then, that France effectively collapses... and
yes, Italy too.]
Brazil team is a deceiver. They save fuel for the moment in wich their lives are stakes, like in the match against France. But France has a positive historial against Brazil. That will make it one of the best matches in this round (after Germany - Argentina, of course...~;) ). Besides there's no other team that reaching the finals acts so relaxed as Brazil, that image of Roberto Carlos laying on the ground smiling and watching with calm the match against Japan tells it all, it shouldn't be that strange after winning two world cups.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
On another note the referee on England's match will be Elisondo, wich means that for the first time in the history of World Cups an argentinian referee will be arbitrating a match in wich english take part. Interesting note, oh yes, but let's see the results...
P.S.: What's with your writing style mate...:inquisitive: (to SSNeoperestroika)
Progressing to the quarter-finals is fantastic, beating Spain priceless. But it is Zizou's goal that really struck a chord, moved Louis to tears and set a nation on fire:
Encore, Zizou... encore !! http://matousmileys.free.fr/ourra.gif
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
Hehe: 'Sorry, Stevie, Wayne, teh red cards of God, eh?'
The quarter final results I'd like to see:
- Argentina - Germany (3-3 + either side winning by shootout)
- England - Portugal (2-2 + either side winning by shootout)
- Italy - Ukraine (0-3 - Italy didn't deserve to defeat the tactically superior Australia by getting an incorrect penalty shot last minute, plus their Italian league scandals are a shame to the sport so out with the spaghettis - hopefully they can come back next EC or WC and play well and get deserved victories instead but I don't like it when they get undeserved victories)
- France - Brazil (5-0 go France! Brazil haven't deserved any of their victories in the latest few tournaments, so this tournament when they're finally good enough to deserve to win I hope they lose as quickly as possible as revenge! Zidane will score 2 goals, Henry 1 goal, Trezeguet 1 goal and Ribery 1 goal)
The quarter final results I'll probably see:
- Argentina 1 - 2 Germany
- England 1 - 0 Portugal
- Italy 1 - 0 Ukraine
- France 1 - 2 Brazil
I really, truly hope that our past history of conflict and rivalry doesn't get in the way of the match, it would be (for me) the icing on the cake of bad refereeing in the World Cup. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
That was amazing, at the last world cup, we were all in the school assembly hall watching England v Brazil, and one of our teachers got the reaction to Englands goal on video, it was incredible how much noise 1,000 English, football-crazed teenagers can make :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Going on our current form, i'd agree, but it had better be a good match, we're due for one:2thumbsup:Quote:
England 1 - 0 Portugal
Saw this at another forum:
https://img243.imageshack.us/img243/...sfinest6ic.jpg
I just had to show it! :laugh4:
Graham Poll sent home! BBC article *clicky*.
lmao :2thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Divine Wind
The main problem of Ghana in game against Brasil was referee (two Brasilian goals from offsides) and weak attack finishing. Remember that Ghana's couch Ratomir Dujković was sent off in half time as he protested to line referee.
[DnC] that is brilliant! :laugh4:
As much as it pains me, Germany will win tommorow...i feel it in my bones.
What do you expect, FIFA is virtually a Brazil cheerleading organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Soon to be in my signature :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
I'm going to sound like a bit of a girl here, but can someone explain to me how the new offside rules differ from the old ones? I always thought you just weren't allowed to be closer to the opponent's goal line than the ball and the second to last defender, when the ball was played by your team and you were involved in play. Has that been altered?
before, if player A stands offside and the ball is passed from player C to player B (who isn't offside), and player B after receiving the ball passes it to A, there would be an offside. Now, if player A stands offside and the ball is passed from player C to player B (who isn't offside), it's not offside to pass player A. The "having advantage of being in offside position" thing sort of gets cleared after every new pass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
That's as clear as mud. No wonder Graham Poll got sent home :laugh4: .......the :furious3: has committed himself to the EPL, declaring that he won't officiate in any more tournaments...
God help us. :sweatdrop:
Don't worry, Elisondo is the best argentinian referee, and has been one of the best in this World Cup, he'll do it objectively, even if all Argentina wants the english to lose...:2thumbsup: (me included :2thumbsup: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianofsmeg16
France knocked out my team :no:. Oh well, I've still got England to cheer for. And they better win :bounce:.
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Originally Posted by {BH}Goalie
At this point futbol isn't getting the best atheletes we have to offer. At best futbol is getting our 3rd or 4th tier athletes. I don't think it would we would dominate the sport as much as the Dream Team in the '92 Olympics. Inversley since we haven't been very good at the sport it won't be as bad as the last Olympic basketball "team" we fielded.
This word (fútbol) amuses me mate, are you by any change a latin american brother in US lands? Of course it lacks the tilde, but just curiosity you know...:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by whyidie
I hope Germany wins tomorrow.
Unfortunately I don't thing that is going to happen. Argentina has been very classy this entire tournamentQuote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Always bring me down Rythmic always bringing me down.:furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
I'm not bringing you down, I'm just making an observation. The German inside me wants: Deutschland, zum die siegreiche Mannschaft zu sein. But somehow I don't think it is going to happen. Argentina have displayed flare, creativity and class each and every time they have played. Germany has played well, but not well enough to beat Argentina.
I can still dream or hope. Whatever
Exactly the feeling I have when supporting :england: :wall:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
True
We will see! The odds are even, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Dujković said for Serbian daily newspaper "Blic" todaz that Cantalejo will help Brasilian side tomorrow to reach semifinal. No comment. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
Coming close on the heels of Sepp "I am a muppett AND corrupt" Blatter and his completely out of line remarks about Englands lack of attacking play, I'm just a little bit worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Throw in Portugals outrageous behaviour in the last game and I fear England will finish the game with only 10 (or 9!) players... :no:
Well it's going to start in a minute, I'm predicting a 2 -1 win for Argentina.
Either that or Germany takes the game after penalties.
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1 minute until kickoff! I'm predicting 2 - 1 for Germany, but I'm not sure after the volley that made Argentina defeat Mexico...
Not a very attractive first half :blank2:
Argentina has been clearly the better team so far - many errors by the German team in midfield.
If it continues like that it will only a matter of time until an Argentinian player gets through and scores a goal...
Welll ... let's see...
But oh so tactically beautiful :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Germans had the best scoring chance so far, Argentina had some situations close to a lethal breakaway but they were stopped. I'd say the teams have been equal in scoring opportunities despite the superior ball possession percentage of Argentina. The weak German midfield and lack of offensive pressure surprised me. Are they using deception tactics or are Argentina so much superior? I suppose Germany will strenghten the midfield and offense in the next half, and Argentina to bring forth their killer instincts to get some shots towards the German goal. I don't know who would benefit from 0-0 going to shootout. All in all it seems like a close game where tactics, or individual mistakes, will determine the outcome. But I also expect huge changes in many aspects by next half so it's difficult to make any predictions because it'll probably not look like this for much longer - or?
Second half was much more interesting ... overall a lucky 1 - 1 for us...
Now I'm gonna bite my nails...
yup, argentina was the better team for most of this game, but they faded fast towards the end. the german fitness may be the difference since this went to OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
if argentina loses, the coach will take the blame.. neither messi nor saviola were subbed in?? :inquisitive:
Yeah I did expect Pekerman to substitute Messi for Tévez, he didn't however. Maybe the unfortunate accident which the goaly had in the second half is the cause of it never happening ?
Oh well, if it comes to penalties, then I predict a German win - as said before.
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well, he took out crespo.. but he puts in cruz instead of messi? wha?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
and cambiaso is a good player and has been in this WC. but why not put in saviola for tevez? i guess they were going deffensive since they were up 1-0. even so, saviola can play the defensive midfield role.
if messi and saviola were in this game, i think argentina would have scored again by now.
EDIT: ugh. PKs. lame. these teams are too good to let this be decided by PKs. that's really a shame. oh well.
well, you had to give germany the advantage in PKs.. lehmann vs the backup? no.
too bad, i think argentina was the better team. but this opens things up now. will have to see what happens vs france, but from the way germany looked today, i don't think they will beat brazil.
All is lost.
Can Soulforged explain the Argentinian substitutions? Can anyone?
I'm glad Saviola wasn't in, however Messi should have gone in instead of Cruz. You could see the argentinian play completely drift off course with high longballs instead of the passing they showed in the first half and beginning second half. Messi could have brought so much pressure and danger to the german team, I'm sure of it.
Now the wretched, undeserving beasts have gone through. Ugh.
We won. Nice.:2thumbsup:
I should have put money on my PK prediction...:skull:
Must say the Germans are a very effective PK kicking force, not a chance for the sub-keeper.
It's also pretty ironic that Ayala scored the very first goal, but then failed to score the penalty...
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Yeaaaaaaaaaa for Germany.
Well done Germany. :embarassed:
However I think the Argys won the fistfight afterwards. :sweatdrop:
What was that all about really, anyone know ?Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
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of every player in the WC, tevez is the one i'd least like to get in a fight with. dude is built like a fireplug.
2-1, pretty well predicted on my part, because prediction-wise winning in penalty shootout with plenty of goals is IMO pretty close to winning with one goal before full time... Anyway amazing how Pekerman gave away his victory. NEVER make defensive substitutions when you're leading with only 1 goal! It lost him the initiative, the offensive power (and Argentina without offensive pressure hasn't got much of a defense), and later also the penalty shootout. With Riquelme out the Germans really dominated the midfield. Odonkor was a splendid substitution - he is really one of the most important German players alongside Ballack, Klose and Podolski IMO. Even though he wasn't involved in the goal directly, his fast running, feinting and breaking up of Argentina's left flank defenses maybe was involved in opening up the middle and German left flank for the actual tying goal. The German team won by STRATEGY, even though their TACTICS were a bit lousy up till Argentina's 1-0 goal. Unfortunately Argentina gave them crucial help towards this STRATEGICAL victory by making some of the worst substitutions I've seen so far in the WC. Sad that Cambiasso would shoot the last missed penalty shot and in the eyes of less observant football watchers therefore might tend to get blamed...
Wooooooo!!!! Germany!!!!!
Good game, had to hug my dog (no one else around) when Germany won!!!
Feel a bit bad for the sub goalie, wasn't even warmed up when he went in, the Germans then score on him and he loses the PKs.
Got my money on the Ukrainians, tired of the Italians. Let's hope no ref calls decide this match.
Hm looks like I missed something, I stopped watching a minute after Cambiasso's missed penalty shot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Did no-one else see Lehmann off his line for the first penalty he saved?
Grrr, I just lost a bet :furious:
I agree to both points. Plus Ukraine despite not being top class play really entertaining football. It looks so unstable, yet it's not at all that inefficient. The guy who put in the second penalty shot in the shootout vs Switzerland was impressive to watch - so cool despite the stakes, just lobbing in the ball with a gentle touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by spmetla
I disagree, I didn't find him one of the most important players of the team. He was praised for his ability as a fast runner ( 100 meters in 10.8 s. :yes: ) and yes he is fast, but what else ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Legio
He didn't give the winning pass ( Ballack did ) nor did he score a winning penalty.
If he really is as good as people make him out to be, then he didn't show it today...
Well knowing the Italians, they've probably bribed the ref. already ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by spmetla
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Just bad losers the Argies, always have been. Professional dummy-spitters. Compare with 1990 final. Well done Germany, but a poor game only made compelling by what was at stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Didn't notice that. Compared to Dudek in last year's Champion's League final he was a mannequin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Well he did try to copy Dudek...Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
On a side note, what do you guys think, does it have any effect whatsoever on the penalty kicker ?
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Fun game to watch.
Shame it had to end on penalties though. Maybe I'm too much of a North American, but it just seems unfair to end it that way, to only focus on one aspect of the game. It seems to me basically to be saying, 'Defense doesn't matter'. Bring back the Golden Goal!
- assisting the 1-0 goal in Germany vs Poland with a perfect passQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
- the only player capable of breaking through Argentina's left flank defenses during the entire game - and he did it not once but dozens of times. Notice how most other players seemed to attempt to play the ball forward instead of running up to the corner flag or line and making passes backwards-inwards? Odonkor has several alternatives - he can go towards the line, he can go backwards, he can go inwards etc.
- he runs fast even WITH the ball under own control. He has same or better control than the others when he runs quickly
- he feints better than most other players on the team, but he doesn't use that capability too much like many players with such skills tend to, so it's an asset rather and not a burden
BUT - his speed and flexibility, with the ball control (which is good but not excellent) might not be enough to breakthrough as effectively unless the opponents are tired. He's probably most effective as a substitute entering the field after 65 - 80 minutes have been played. I doubt he would do that well as player from start. So I hope Klinsmann keeps using him the same way he has used him so far - as a substitute. Certain players are a lot better as substitutes than having in from start, but still not less important even though they are substitutes. I've seen many cases where good substitute players are made starting players with the result that the team capacity is weakened.
I saw him jumping up and down and moving around but he stayed almost on his line. Lateral movement along the line is allowed, whereas Dudek last year came out almost to the six yard line .... cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
i agree. PKs are kind of exciting (imo, their excitment is ruined by the recognition that they're kid of a crap shoot), but going to golden goal would be a better measure of which team deserves the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules
Well okay, he got through a couple of times, but to what end ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
I don't doubt he is fast even with the ball, Klinsman put him in the team for that reason I reckon.Quote:
- he runs fast even WITH the ball under own control. He has same of better control than the others when he runs quickly
I'll believe you, as I forgot that - rather unexiting - match.Quote:
- assisting the 1-0 goal in Germany vs Poland with a perfect pass
We are in agreement.Quote:
Certain players are a lot better as substitutes than having in from start.
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A lucky victory in the end - I would not call it undeserved, considering the second part of the second hal and the extra time.
In the end Argentina played better from a technical point of view - but one did not really have the feeling that they did too much to actually win the game, i.e. they did not turn their superiority into any serious chances.
Nothing against some healthy rivalry and competition but that was a comment that just shows complete lack of character. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by [DnC
No. I won't have that. Argentina lost. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by [DnC]
Now the wretched, undeserving beasts have gone through. Ugh.
Damn spaghettis winning... For once they play well but they shouldn't have gotten to the quarter finals in the first place. Australia - Ukraine would have been so much more fun...
Don't forget Rattin in '66. Or their sporting celebrations after knocking us out on pens in '98....Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
Still, surprised to see you come out with summat like that mate, just goes to show that football related emotion trascends the spirit of socialist internationalism ~;)
And with your comments on Dudek, I take it you're a bluenose?
Anyway, not going to gloat too much over the Argies, England still have to play their game.....
I've not forgotten their many past indiscretions and lack of class, but I didn't want to appear bitter ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
Yes, I'm a bluenose (despite the misleading forum name). I was in Rome when Liverpool won and I think that I was the only person in the city that wanted the Gobshites to lose. The Romans hate Milan and Berlusconi with a passion. I'm still stunned to believe that an Italian team, and AC Milan to boot, surrendered a 3-0 lead. :no: I smelt a Mafia gambling fix straight-away, but how do I prove it?!
As for England, yes we'll have to wait and see. I'm convinced that they can beat anyone, but are they? I doubt it somehow, except for young Rooney who knows no fear it seems.
Indeed it was a bit harsh and uncalled for, I was just a tad angry at the time. I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
What a game. I got too excited even. Things that I broke during game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
-Phone (when Argentina scored)
-XBOX-360 Remote (when Germany couldn't put one in)
-Pillow (it ripped when I hit the TV with it)
-Lamp (when I threw the pillow when Lehman saved the PK.
I went beserk...:laugh4:
ONWARD TO THE DEFEAT OF THE ITALY :evil:
I needed some way to make a distinction between American Football and Football as the rest of the world knows it. Oops. Forgot about soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Yeah, I want to do that sometimes too, but that's more for the mexican - south american audiances.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyidie
It's almost cliche to say this after you are out of any tournament, but the changes were wrong. Why take out Riquelme in this match, why not in the others, against Mexico he played really bad... but no it should be on this one and winning...:no: And I'm with you, all Argentina, except the parents and relatives of Cruz, is with you. Cruz is a tree, not a football player, he's stiff, he cannot play, and I don't know why coaches and some players like the way he plays... ufff... Messi in the bench...wtf?!!!! Cruz enters and Messi stays on the bench!!!! What was happening on Pekerman's head:wall: .Quote:
Originally Posted by [DnC]
Odonkhor made Sorin crazy and there was no variation on that flank, Sorin persued him for the rest of the match without any clue and there was no change?
Well I could go on. In the World Cup winning is important not playing well, you get the prize by winning not by playing well... Not that Germany played bad, but it surprised me that they didn't look for the match since minute 0...
The penalties were amazing. Europeans are so used to be cold and concentrated that they know, from the young to the old, what to do in that moment. They shooted well, the goalkeeper did all well anticipating every move, and the argentians felt the burden... I feared penalties the most, because I knew that this was going to be the outcome...
And finally the referee...uffffffff.... whatever... :rolleyes:
Anyway it was good while it lasted. 20 years of illussion crumbled again before argentinians eyes, 16 years of illussion for me personally... No one here is satisfied with being between the first 8 teams... Yes that's how we live fútbol here, that's how we feel it, it manifest itself in the stadium, in the players and in the fans, in the whole country, and you can actually see people sad for the rest of the day waiting another 4 years for that prize alone...
No. The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
I think you are biased, but so am I, so don't take this too seriously. I'm pretty sure the Argentinians started a little something, but I think I saw some arguements within Argentina. One or two players were yelling at the assist coach for Argentina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
If I were Argentina I would too. No offence, but I was loving the stupidity of the coach. It made it easier for Germany :bow:
I think that was the world cup match itself, but unfortunetly both teams can't advance. Argentina is better than Brazil. :bow:
I agree with most of what you wrote, Soulforged.
Cruz is teh suck. Not playing Messi is a crime against football fans everywhere. And that German shouldn't have provoked the Argentinians indeed. Argentina still has a responsibility of its own however. Neither showed much class there.
I wonder what refereeing nastiness tomorrow will bring, I have a bad feeling about it. It is too early to have an Argentinian referee at an England game. Not because the ref will be biased against England, but because he'll be too eager to show he's not. With the refereeing being under fire already as it is, I fear he will be under too much pressure. It could lead to costly mistakes, or to him being being too focused on being impartial.
And Fifa is a Brazil cheerleading organisation indeed, which doesn't bode well. I wonder if our referee will be actually wearing that Ronaldo shirt he asked for after Brazil's game last week...
Hehe, somehow I don't think we'll see the English being cold and concentrated at the penalty spot tomorrow. :laugh4:Quote:
The penalties were amazing. Europeans are so used to be cold and concentrated that they know, from the young to the old, what to do in that moment.
It's the quarter-finals already. Penalties, a traditional early exit and Scolari outwitting Eriksson yet again all loom for England. Which we can't have. England must progress - I want to see our boys rough 'em up in the semi's.
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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Lehmann was a statue compared to Dudek and his Grobbelaar dance.
Observe the shootout clips at the end of this video.
All keepers should take up such movements in shootouts, especially in a World Cup
- it could easily be enough to put the penalty taker off in such a tense situation.
[Full shootout.]
Thanks, and accepted :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by DnC
Is there an special meaning for "the" written this way "teh"? Seriously...:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
And I agree with you on Messi. There's no need to put him from the start, but why, why do you've to make him stay on the bench and put Cruz to play, I don't want to put all the blame on the coach, Cruz has something, not sure what, because it seems that only coaches and people that know him personally actually know what's that... Perhaps Messi and other young players before him are and were suffering from Maradona's curse, "Maradona was the best player and there is no possibility that other surpasses him... so don't put him to play..." About the provocation, is something of fútbol, I was expecting the argentinians to do it at some point (the fans sure did... :rolleyes:), I mean we're the best of the world so we should rub it in the faces of others :rolleyes:, it's very typical of latin american fútbol, but I didn't expect the germans to do it :shrug:
France will win, and I want them to win. My mother is brazilian, but I don't care, if we're not the ones who will throw them out of the World Cup, then France will be the one, and France will get the Cup. That's what I hope, I'll not be happy, but at least I can realize my anger in secret while Henry fills the net...:2thumbsup:Quote:
And Fifa is a Brazil cheerleading organisation indeed, which doesn't bode well. I wonder if our referee will be actually wearing that Ronaldo shirt he asked for after Brazil's game last week...
From what I have gathered there were provocations from both sides during and after the penalty kicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Argentinian players were verbally addressing the German players that went up for the kick and a German player made gestures asking Argentinian players to stop that - both probably not very sportsmanlike and unfortunately in line with a lot of little attacks we have seen during the game (again from both sides).
These are things that (should not but do) happen in such games were a lot is at stake for the teams.
What then happened went far beyond verbal attackd and gestures.
One Argentinian player kicked a German player after the the PKs and got the red card for it.
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9238/cufre1nr.jpg
Maxi Rodriguez went as far as running up to a German player (Schweinsteiger) to hit him from behind on the head.
https://img450.imageshack.us/img450/2317/maxi0ot.jpg
Not acceptable :no:
Rooting for England and France.
Don't think Portugal got a chance, so many yellow cards already and those players missing the game to red cards will hurt them. Meanwhile England is strong with not injuries and only some cards.
I don't have high hopes for France but hope for the least that they play well against Brazil. I want at least a respectable match for even just one half if it has to be only that. Hope they win though!!!
Go former Empires but not Portugal!!!
Exact same thing happened in the friendly against England - he took Riquelme off to "protect the lead", the game changed, and England came back from 1-2 to win 3-2Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
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No. The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...
You're biased. Argentine taunted England after they won on pens in '98. England did not respond with violence. Instead, they internalised their anger, remembered it, and used it as an additional motivation to beat you guys in 2002.
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend....
Agree completely. Argentine team just couldn't handle losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi